a ftp thread.

[03trubluGT]

No, but I know how to read a fucking address.

How do you read an address when you aren't given one?

Answer me that, Mr. Smartass.

[03trubluGT]

Did he fire at them? No. He pointed a weapon at someone at his door. They had the wrong address. Similarly, if someone beats on my door and shoots me in my home because I drew a weapon on my property on an intruder.

Or do you not answer the door with a pistol?

LOL! Let me point a loaded gun at you and see what your reaction is.....

Are you seriously believing what you are typing???

[Forever_frost]

Seriously? So they knew who they were looking for, and just decided to go kick in the door to a third party not on a warrant?

Are you fucking high?

There are rules in place to serve felony warrants (at least in Texas) and unless they have proof that someone is in a third party's residence, they cannot go in.

But, all you DFWM FTP'ers know all the laws, right?????

Right, then explain how this keeps happening. Cops show up to the wrong house, kill the dog, shoot and/or kill the home owner and it's the cop's fault for being at the wrong place. Or the one where cops cut THROUGH a woman's door with a chainsaw. Tell me about those rules.

[Broncojohnny]

The mere fact that you brought it up means that you are obsessive about it.

The fund isn't in danger. The fund is managed by an elected board, not the city council. The fund manager seems to think it is soluble.

So you want to spread the blame to every cop instead of the one directly responsible? Now that's just freaking retarded....

Of course the fund manager thinks everything is fine. What do you expect him to say? Jesus

[talisman]

How do you read an address when you aren't given one?

Answer me that, Mr. Smartass.

You're actually right, I was going from the title of the story.

[Jimbo]

What a horrible situation. RIP to that poor guy.
I was staying at a friend's house and had a similar experience. Someone began knocking on the door with thier finger over the peephole. The home owner was not home, so a friend and I waited it out a bit. The knocking continued, over and over, harder each time with nothing else, no cars out front, and no talking. The thumb continued to cover the peephole and eventually I had enough. I had my friend answer the door as I stood to the side, gun drawn. It was an Officer. As he pushed his way past my friend, I stowed that Glock in the nearest drawer as quickly as I could. I can imagine that situation ending very badly had I been seen before I did. I will never understand that type of careless behavior.

[03trubluGT]

Right, then explain how this keeps happening. Cops show up to the wrong house, kill the dog, shoot and/or kill the home owner and it's the cop's fault for being at the wrong place. Or the one where cops cut THROUGH a woman's door with a chainsaw. Tell me about those rules.

How can I explain this without knowing the total set of facts? Each situation is going to be different. I'm sure that someone who has access to all of the information could find some kind of common denominators, but AFAIK, there is no cover-all solution.

[03trubluGT]

Of course the fund manager thinks everything is fine. What do you expect him to say? Jesus

Whatever.

How about sticking to the topic.


You are dismissed...

[Forever_frost]

What a horrible situation. RIP to that poor guy.
I was staying at a friend's house and had a similar experience. Someone began knocking on the door with thier finger over the peephole. The home owner was not home, so a friend and I waited it out a bit. The knocking continued, over and over, harder each time with nothing else, no cars out front, and no talking. The thumb continued to cover the peephole and eventually I had enough. I had my friend answer the door as I stood to the side, gun drawn. It was an Officer. As he pushed his way past my friend, I stowed that Glock in the nearest drawer as quickly as I could. I can imagine that situation ending very badly had I been seen before I did. I will never understand that type of careless behavior.

There has to be more to it than this. A cop stood knocking outside the door and when you opened just pushed past?

But yes, this is BS. They don't want you to see who is out there. That's why they do that.

[03trubluGT]

You're actually right, I was going from the title of the story.

A misleading title at that.


According to the info given, the police followed him to a complex where he ditched his motorcycle. They start a search going from apartment to apartment and someone answers the door with a drawn gun. I'm so sure that you would let someone shoot at you, but that's OK.

If the police didn't get an answer, they would have gone to the next one. If they weren't in hot pursuit, they could not have just kicked in a door. The fact that they went to an apartment that the pursued wasn't in tells me that they had lost him.

You really need to learn how these things work before you start spouting off. It makes you look worse than you already do.

[Forever_frost]

How can I explain this without knowing the total set of facts? Each situation is going to be different. I'm sure that someone who has access to all of the information could find some kind of common denominators, but AFAIK, there is no cover-all solution.

I'll agree with you on that. However, you tend to take the position that default: Cop is right. They got the wrong man. They shot an innocent man and should be punished. Do you agree with that?

And there is a cover-all solution: Cops held to the same standards we are. You shoot a man who is innocent? You go to prison. You kill their dog in their yard? You go to jail. You cut through their door with a chainsaw? Jail and you pay for a new door.

Responsibility is the cover-all situation

[03trubluGT]

There has to be more to it than this. A cop stood knocking outside the door and when you opened just pushed past?

But yes, this is BS. They don't want you to see who is out there. That's why they do that.

Wrong.

It is so they don't get shot through the door. The door jamb is substantially thicker than the sorry doors put on homes/apartments.

[Cannon]

The truth is that becoming a cop is too easy. The mental qualifying are too low and the physical aspect of the academy is a joke. Anyone now a days can be a cop, it's pathetic that the ones that serve and protect us need someone to protect them for sheer ignorance.


Sent while dropping a deuce!

[ELVIS]

Wrong.

It is so they don't get shot through the door. The door jamb is substantially thicker than the sorry doors put on homes/apartments.

show me a cop that can hide behind a door jamb.

god bless.

[SouthernSVT]

Hypothetical situation:

A CHL holder goes to an address he is given to pick up a friend or something. He ends up at the wrong address, and the person answers the door pointing a gun at him. The CHL holder feels his life is in danger, and shoots the home owner killing him.

Should the CHL holder be convicted of murder? If he should, then why shouldn't these officers? They both legally had firearms, they both went to the wrong address on accident, they both felt threatened by a home owner, they both defended themselves, and neither one was known to be a police officer by the home owner.