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    Inhofe, Lucas bill would put brakes on gov’t. ammo buys







    Less than 24 hours after a joint House subcommittee hearing that probed Department of Homeland Security ammunition purchases, two Oklahoma lawmakers introduced legislation to put the brakes on government stockpiling of ammo.

    The move came after months of ammunition shortages at retail outlets across the country that many in the gun community had at least partially attributed to the government procurements. Some have even theorized that all the DHS ammo buying was an effort by the Obama administration to shrink supplies for consumers.

    Senator Jim Inhofe and Congressman Frank Lucas introduced the “Ammunition Management For More Obtainability (AMMO) Act of 2013.” The bill would require the Government Accountability Office to “conduct a report on the purchasing of ammunition by federal agencies, except the Department of Defense, and its effect on the supply of ammunition available to the public.”

    Following the hearing about huge DHS ammunition purchases that left some House Oversight subcommittee Republicans rankled, Inhofe and Lucas wasted no time introducing their legislation.

    “President Obama has been adamant about curbing law-abiding Americans’ access and opportunities to exercise their Second Amendment rights,” Inhofe said in a press release. “”One way the Obama Administration is able to do this is by limiting what’s available in the market with federal agencies purchasing unnecessary stockpiles of ammunition. As the public learned in a House committee hearing this week, the Department of Homeland Security has two years’ worth of ammo on hand and allots nearly 1,000 more rounds of ammunition for DHS officers than is used on average by our Army officers. The AMMO Act of 2013 will enforce transparency and accountability of federal agencies’ ammunition supply while also protecting law-abiding citizens access to these resources.”

    “After hearing from my constituents about the shortage of ammunition in Oklahoma and the Department of Homeland Security’s profligate purchases of ammunition,” Lucas added. “We have introduced the AMMO Act of 2013 to curtail these purchases so Americans can exercise their Second Amendment rights without being encumbered by the federal government. I was surprised to find out the DHS has the right to buy up to 750 million rounds of ammunition over the next five years, while it already has two years worth of ammo already. This is an issue that must be addressed, and I am pleased this legislation provides us the opportunity to do so.”

    During the hearing, held before the Subcommittees on National Security (chaired by Utah Rep. Jason Chaffetz) and Economic Growth, Job Creation, and Regulatory Affairs (chaired by Ohio Rep. Jim Jordan), government officials distanced themselves from reports about the DHS plan to purchase 1.6 billion rounds over the next few years, and instead put the number at closer to 750 million.

    Humberto Medina with the U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement agency, explained that bulk ammo purchases were on par with last year’s procurements. He also said the agency was “looking at trying to be as efficient as possible.”

    Republican lawmakers questioned such “efficiency” when they did the math. As noted by Fox News, Rep. Chaffetz – who acknowledged owning his own .40-caliber handgun – was highly skeptical about the bulk purchases, noting that DHS appears to be allotting an average of 1,000 rounds per person more than are allocated for training of U.S. soldiers.

    “It is entirely…inexplicable why the Department of Homeland Security needs so much ammunition,” he observed.

    Congressman Darrell Issa, chair of the Oversight Committee, observed, “The idea that you have to have excess rounds, year after year, flies in the face of common sense.”

    He also suggested that much of this ammunition may be used up “indiscriminately” or is being passed to non-federal agencies, according to Fox News.

    Medina, Nick Nayak, the DHS’ chief procurement officer, and Patrick O’Carroll, Jr., the inspector general for the Social Security Administration, offered assurances that the massive ammunition purchase, are not aimed at drying up supplies for consumers.

    The Daily Caller ran a story suggesting that the ammunition shortage has been fueled by “rumors and conjecture,” and there is no denying that this is a factor.
    Natural law. Sons are put on this earth to trouble their fathers.

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    It is about time

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    • #3
      Open your eyes people... Sleepy time is over.


      ****WAKE UP!!! The alarm clock has been sounding for a while now. You can only hit the snooze button so many times...
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      • #4
        The SSA needs ammo why again?
        I wear a Fez. Fez-es are cool

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        • #5
          What I don't understand is why these manufacturers are selling them to DHS, the same DHS that wants to drown the gun industry? I would refuse and sell to private individuals only. They would still make bank.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by Forever_frost View Post
            The SSA needs ammo why again?
            To remove them from the market, of course.
            How do we forget ourselves? How do we forget our minds?

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            • #7
              Originally posted by 4.6coupe View Post
              Open your eyes people... Sleepy time is over.


              ****WAKE UP!!! The alarm clock has been sounding for a while now. You can only hit the snooze button so many times...
              Ok, what are you going to do about it?
              Originally posted by lincolnboy
              After watching Games of Thrones, makes me glad i was not born in those years.

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              • #8
                Just how is the DHS stockpiling ammo? The DHS buys roughly 100 million rounds of ammo each year. That's approx. 1,300 rounds per officer. Given that an officer will go thru 100 rounds per hour during training... That's only 12-13 hours of practice per year. I would hope that a LEO would practice more than that.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by S_K View Post
                  Just how is the DHS stockpiling ammo? The DHS buys roughly 100 million rounds of ammo each year. That's approx. 1,300 rounds per officer. Given that an officer will go thru 100 rounds per hour during training... That's only 12-13 hours of practice per year. I would hope that a LEO would practice more than that.
                  Why do they practice with hollow points, which are twice as expensive?

                  Who does DHS protect us from anyway? You would think the Border Patrol would have more need for it since they are dealing with armed drug runners. Oh, wait, nevermind. They are told to not actually protect the borders.
                  Last edited by line-em-up; 04-28-2013, 09:34 AM.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by S_K View Post
                    Just how is the DHS stockpiling ammo? The DHS buys roughly 100 million rounds of ammo each year. That's approx. 1,300 rounds per officer. Given that an officer will go thru 100 rounds per hour during training... That's only 12-13 hours of practice per year. I would hope that a LEO would practice more than that.
                    The dhs' head procurement person admitted they only shot about 160 rounds per year on avg.

                    Heck, the army only shoots about 350/yr on avg. (of course infantry shoot more, but that is an avg of all mos)

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by S_K View Post
                      Just how is the DHS stockpiling ammo? The DHS buys roughly 100 million rounds of ammo each year. That's approx. 1,300 rounds per officer. Given that an officer will go thru 100 rounds per hour during training... That's only 12-13 hours of practice per year. I would hope that a LEO would practice more than that.
                      That average figure probably isn't limited to officers that have been through Glynco. Those are the ones that would actually be allowed to carry a gun in the field.
                      ZOMBIE REAGAN FOR PRESIDENT 2016!!! heh

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by line-em-up View Post
                        Why do they practice with hollow points, which are twice as expensive?
                        Practice with what they carry and rely on every day would be my guess. Also keeps only one type of ammo in storage to deal with, instead of trying to sort and organize.
                        "It's another burrito, it's a cold Lone Star in my hand!"

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                        • #13
                          If the military was the one stockpiling, i get that. I remember it was 2005 when there was a shortage because of iraq/afganistation put them over a billion rounds per year. But i dont consider DHS military. Was it someone trying to do a straw purchase on a gov't scale? Dunno, be interesting to see how it develops.

                          Honestly feels like the same situation that the MRAP's are going through. Was it surplus inventory that came too late in Iraq and just not needed in Afganistan? A couple billion dollars of focused capability military hardware getting mothballed at a storage facility during an economic downturn would be a political poison pill for any politician regardless of party. So, sell them to another department, paint them with "RESCUE" (people love that comfort word) and spread them out all over the country. Problem solved, no pictures of 5000 MRAPs sitting in a single parking lot in Nevada and a political land mine is avoided.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by DOHCTR View Post
                            Ok, what are you going to do about it?
                            THIS, we should all just run away

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by DallasSleeper View Post
                              THIS, we should all just run away
                              We should all blow up federal buildings like that great patriot in OKC! Sleepy time is over!
                              Originally posted by lincolnboy
                              After watching Games of Thrones, makes me glad i was not born in those years.

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