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QUOTE=S_K;1044538]Just how is the DHS stockpiling ammo? The DHS buys roughly 100 million rounds of ammo each year. That's approx. 1,300 rounds per officer. Given that an officer will go thru 100 rounds per hour during training... That's only 12-13 hours of practice per year. I would hope that a LEO would practice more than that.[/QUOTE]
the Department of Homeland Security has issued an open purchase order for 1.6 billion rounds of ammunition
1.6 billion is 160 x 100 million 160 x 1300 = 18,080 rounds per officerLast edited by jyro; 04-28-2013, 11:30 PM.Don't worry about what you can't change.
Do the best you can with what you have.
Be honest, even if it hurts.
"Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy; Its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery" ... Winston ChurchillComment
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You guys do not understand the government purchasing process.Originally posted by jyro View Post
That is an OPEN PURCHASE ORDER, Which basically means jack shit. DHS has no intention of ordering anything close to this number. All an OPO does is set a fixed priced, a minimum amount such as one bullet, and a maximum amount (eleventy Billion bullets). OPO's merely spell out the terms.
Each agency within the DHS can then make individual purchases based upon their needs and budget.Comment
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Blowing up innocent folks is a GREAT fucking idea.Originally posted by line-em-up View Post
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Originally posted by S_K View PostYou guys do not understand the government purchasing process.
That is an OPEN PURCHASE ORDER, Which basically means jack shit. DHS has no intention of ordering anything close to this number. All an OPO does is set a fixed priced, a minimum amount such as one bullet, and a maximum amount (eleventy Billion bullets). OPO's merely spell out the terms.
Each agency within the DHS can then make individual purchases based upon their needs and budget.
Look up how many they have all ready taken possession of. Look up how many anti mine vehicles they have all ready taken possession of.Comment
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I have, that is why I stated the 100 million. Please cite your source for "anti-mine" vehicles.Originally posted by tazz007 View PostComment
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So far, DHS has bought 2717 MRAPS
The Department of Homeland Security (through the U.S. Army Forces Command) recently retrofitted 2,717 of these ‘Mine Resistant Protected’ vehicles for service on the streets of the United States.
Although I’ve seen and read several online blurbs about this vehicle of late, I decided to dig slightly deeper and discover more about the vehicle itself.
The new DHS sanctioned ‘Street Sweeper’ (my own slang due to the gun ports) is built by Navistar Defense (NavistarDefense.com), a division within the Navistar organization. Under the Navistar umbrella are several other companies including International Trucks, IC Bus (they make school buses), Monaco RV (recreational vehicles), WorkHorse (they make chassis), MaxxForce (diesel engines), and Navistar Financial (the money arm of the company).
DHS even released a video on their newly purchased MRAPs.
Via Pat Dollard: The MRAP featured in this video is was in Albuquerque, New Mexico for Law Enforcement Day which was held at a local area Target Store. This MRAP is stationed in El Paso, Texas at The Homeland Security Investigations Office. MRAP is a Mine Resistant Armor Protected Vehicle.I wear a Fez. Fez-es are coolComment
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This was my response from Rand Paul after I emailed him and Cruz to look into this.
April 17, 2013
Thank you for contacting me with your concerns regarding the Department of Homeland Security's use of Mine Resistant Ambush Protected (MRAP) vehicles. I appreciate hearing your thoughts on this issue.
Recent reports circulating around the internet have asserted that Department of Homeland Security (DHS) has purchased 2,717 MRAPs. However, the story dates back to a January 2012 contract from the U.S. Army Contracting Command to upgrade and retrofit 2,717 MRAPs already in its possession. The contract in question did not transfer any of the vehicles to DHS. However, after the story broke, DHS confirmed that it is in possession of 32 MRAPs used by its Customs and Border Protection (CBP) and Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) divisions for border protection and the execution of high-risk search and arrest warrants for drug trafficking organizations. They have also been used in search and rescue operations in the wake of Hurricane Isaac. The MRAPs in question were not purchased by DHS, but transferred from the Department of Defense in 2008.
I understand your concerns with DHS' possession of these MRAPs, especially in light of other recent stories about the Department's purchase requests for ammunition and fully-automatic North Atlantic Treaty Organization (NATO) Personal Defense Weapons (PDW). DHS has responded by stating that the ammunition and weapons are standard issue and for use by special agents in each agency's law enforcement division.
At a time when the national debt is higher than ever before, and the size and scope of government has extended far beyond what our Founding Fathers envisioned, it is important we discuss not only the procurement practices of the federal government, but also the mission of many of our agencies. Dozens of agencies and their sub-components, ranging from the United States Mint to the Government Printing Office, have their own police forces. This creates a significant risk of duplication and overlapping goals. The potential for consolidation of many of these separate federal law enforcement entities should be considered as we continue to discuss how to streamline the government and improve efficiency.
Please be assured I will monitor this situation closely as it develops. I appreciate hearing your thoughts on this issue. Please do not hesitate to contact me regarding any federal matter in the future.
Sincerely,
Rand Paul, MD
United States SenatorComment
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Last Thursday, Republican Rep. Jason Chaffetz, who chairs one of the House oversight subcommittees, held a hearing to find out why the Department of Homeland Security has been ordering so much ammunition.
"It is entirely ... inexplicable why the Department of Homeland Security needs so much ammunition," Chaffetz said at the hearing.
He revealed that the department currently has more than 260 million rounds in stock.
He said the department bought more than 103 million rounds in 2012 and used 116 million that same year -- among roughly 70,000 agents.
Comparing that with the small-arms purchases procured by the U.S. Army, he said the DHS is churning through between 1,300 and 1,600 rounds per officer, while the U.S. Army goes through roughly 350 rounds per soldier... He noted that is "roughly 1,000 rounds more per person."Don't worry about what you can't change.
Do the best you can with what you have.
Be honest, even if it hurts.
"Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy; Its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery" ... Winston ChurchillComment
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Exactly my point! See post #8.Comment
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