If you shoot an attacker, aren't you presuming guilt?

[Bassics]

It seems fairly implied that he would be carrying, because everything he listed could have been covered under a home invasion.Is texas an open carry state, even then you have to have some sort of license don't you?

Not on your land, or hunting, or simply carrying a long gun. And who says it has to be a gun that is used?

[SMEGMA STENCH]

Jesus you are stupid.

Killing someone is murder. That is what the law says. There is no "list" of valid reasons to kill someone in texas penal code. There are defenses to prosecution only.

If I'm stupid, that makes you a frog with down syndrome. At this point its time for you to crawl off in humiliation and shame. You have absolutely no idea what you're talking about at all. Whether your pathetic little pansy ass likes it or not, them's tha rules. Go ahead and bet your life on your dumbassery. But make a vid so I can laugh.

<--Texas state CHL holder, taken several classes for myself and with others, knows all the rules

I await your further sniveling.

[onemeangixxer7502]

If I'm stupid, that makes you a frog with down syndrome. At this point its time for you to crawl off in humiliation and shame. You have absolutely no idea what you're talking about at all. Whether your pathetic little pansy ass likes it or not, them's tha rules. Go ahead and bet your life on your dumbassery. But make a vid so I can laugh.

<--Texas state CHL holder, taken several classes for myself and with others, knows all the rules

I await your further sniveling.

No shit, your post was easy to understand and CHL was fairly implied. Either way for you bassics

[SMEGMA STENCH]

Apparently not to him. Unless I've pulled a cooter and somehow let sarcasm fly right over my head. In which case, my apologies, and disregard the post. But if not, regard the post.

[JP135]

Here in Texas, you can legally shoot someone if you even think someone else is in danger OF SERIOUS BODILY INJURY OR DEATH.

Fixed

By the way, I can't think of a more ignorant hypothesis upon which to base an article (or post).

[BERNIE MOSFET]

If I'm stupid, that makes you a frog with down syndrome. At this point its time for you to crawl off in humiliation and shame. You have absolutely no idea what you're talking about at all. Whether your pathetic little pansy ass likes it or not, them's tha rules. Go ahead and bet your life on your dumbassery. But make a vid so I can laugh.

<--Texas state CHL holder, taken several classes for myself and with others, knows all the rules

I await your further sniveling.

You are wrong.

My CHL instructor was wrong too; his and others' cavalier attitudes about shooting people is going to land someone in a lot of hot water someday, if not already.

You are absolutely not permitted to shoot anyone for any reason; it sounds counter-intuitive to everything we think we know about using deadly force, but the law stands as it was written. Sec 22.01 clearly states that it is an offense to intentionally or knowingly cause bodily injury to another. There's no room for discussion here, it is illegal. (I'm not getting into 22.02 and semantics about whether 22.01 applies to firearms. 22.02 requires 22.01).

You have a defense to prosecution for shooting someone under certain circumstances, but the burden of proof moves to the defendant. Those circumstances are listed in section 9: Justifications Excluding Criminal Responsibility. These defenses come to bear only when you are being prosecuted.

[Bassics]

It is hopeless to try and explain it to these people. The best that can happen is they get their chance to argue their internet point in court, when they will find out how a prosecution and defense really works...

[kingjason]

Wow...... I am police and even if I am justified in stopping a threat and taking a life I will be charged with murder. They grand jury it and I could still be tried for it if they think the situation did not justify it. Even if the guy taken out is on a killing spree and we take him out there will still be a case filed. Like stated above it is just a defense to the prosecution. No matter how justified you are it is never a good feeling to be charged with murder.

[onemeangixxer7502]

It is hopeless to try and explain it to these people. The best that can happen is they get their chance to argue their internet point in court, when they will find out how a prosecution and defense really works...

I am not from texas, we have laws here in oklahoma stating when and where you can use deadly force. That doesn't protect you from a civil matter though!

[Bassics]

Oklahoma works the same way. All states do. Some of it is just semantics, people assume that a defense means an exemption, and in a way it does but it isn't a guaranteed exemption.

As for civil protection, I thought OK passed a make-my-day law long ago?

[SMEGMA STENCH]

You are wrong.

My CHL instructor was wrong too; his and others' cavalier attitudes about shooting people is going to land someone in a lot of hot water someday, if not already.

You are absolutely not permitted to shoot anyone for any reason; it sounds counter-intuitive to everything we think we know about using deadly force, but the law stands as it was written. Sec 22.01 clearly states that it is an offense to intentionally or knowingly cause bodily injury to another. There's no room for discussion here, it is illegal. (I'm not getting into 22.02 and semantics about whether 22.01 applies to firearms. 22.02 requires 22.01).

That law is in direct contradiction with others that I'm sure you're aware of. For example, if a woman is being raped, she is not necessarily going to suffer bodily harm. Yeah usually that's the way it goes, but under the right circumstances it could easily go down with her only get psychological trauma out of it. Yet the official CHL handbook, issued by the state of Texas, (distributed for free at the DPS) says its a killable offence. It obviously doesn't say "killable offence" but it makes it clear in no uncertain terms that when you draw, you draw to kill or you don't draw at all. So that pretty much establishes that.

It is hopeless to try and explain it to these people. The best that can happen is they get their chance to argue their internet point in court, when they will find out how a prosecution and defense really works...

Check the law, jackass. I'll wait. Actually while I wait I'll cite one just right off the top of my head... in the early 2000's a couple beaners in my town thought they were going to steal some old man's paid for car, right out of his driveway. It cost both of them their lives, (and rightly so) and nothing ever came of it for him. He used to go to church with my grandparents but now he is in the nursing home. He might be dead now I have no idea.

So while I won't argue with you that some shitbag prosecuter might try to send someone to jail for legally defending their civil rights according to laws on the books, you're technically protected by law under the right circumstances. For instance, look up theft of livestock. Not only will they hang your ass with a felony for doing it, its also a killable offense. I don't care how old the law is, its still on the books. I don't recognize laws that aren't on the books, and I do recognize any laws that are. If they don't want them there then they should try and make the political move that it takes to get them removed. I won't accept this "Well, yeah, but it just isn't right" bullshit.

[talisman]

If I'm stupid,

It really hasn't ever been a question, Justin.

[Bassics]

damn you are stupid.

Read the fucking law yourself.

Or better yet, please demonstrate use of the term "killable offense" in the Texas penal code. That law you were going to cite, please do so.

[SMEGMA STENCH]

damn you are stupid.

Read the fucking law yourself.

Or better yet, please demonstrate use of the term "killable offense" in the Texas penal code. That law you were going to cite, please do so.

Quit being lazy and do your own research. Or better yet, read the post of the person you're talking to. I clearly stated that it never says "killable offense" and that I was just using that as interpretation given their established rules on firing or not drawing at all. I know your little pussy ass it too afraid to own a gun but I'll tell you that you damn sure don't ever point it at anyone you don't intend to kill. So as I said, you can pick up an official state of texas CHL handbook at any DPS location. The laws that you want cited are cited plenty of times in there. I've got one on the shelf right next to me, its printed in plain english and is quite easy to read. Go for it.

[Bassics]

man the schizophrenic are out in force.

Let me see, you want me to look up a law that doesn't exist to prove that i am wrong in saying no such law exists...

if it is plain and right there beside you, then simply quote it. Just the reference number in the penal code is plenty. Show us. Put down the 40 and the child porn and back up your insane ranting for a change.