I don't like Romney.

[jw33]

I'm shocked with this mindset that Israel is so defensless and weak. The best medicine for Iran is an unleashed Israel. As long as we hold Israel back expect more of the same.

[CJ]

So why are we even having this discussion? LMFAO!!!

Ignorance plain and simple. They are slightly larger than Rhode Island, a tiny little bit of land. No matter how powerful their military is, 1 single TACTICAL nuclear weapon would effectively wipe them off the map. A competent full scale invasion would wipe them off the map. They have defeated invasions before, they have also come very close to being overrun as well, to the point of a miracle as many of their ground commanders admitted.

[majorownage]

Even then, Iran doesn't have anything too threatening. I bet their first target is the nuke plant in Bushehr. Saudi has already cleared them air space to make their runs. That's why we just had that assassination attempt on the Saudi diplomat.

Iran is not some shittastic nation. If the Israelis attack, don't expect them to go down without a fight. It'll be very bad. To say the least.

[Denny]

Ignorance plain and simple. They are slightly larger than Rhode Island, a tiny little bit of land. No matter how powerful their military is, 1 single TACTICAL nuclear weapon would effectively wipe them off the map. A competent full scale invasion would wipe them off the map. They have defeated invasions before, they have also come very close to being overrun as well, to the point of a miracle as many of their ground commanders admitted.

But you have to consider that the Palestinian/Arab population integrated among them will hold most back from that. It is also considered holy land to them as well and they want to keep the integrity of the land, rather than take over a glass parking lot.

Iran is not some shittastic nation. If the Israelis attack, don't expect them to go down without a fight. It'll be very bad. To say the least.

No, I know that, but my money is on them shooting down those old, worn out Russian training Migs.

[Denny]

BTW, Iran IS pretty shittastic.

[CJ]

But you have to consider that the Palestinian/Arab population integrated among them will hold most back from that. It is also considered holy land to them as well and they want to keep the integrity of the land, rather than take over a glass parking lot.

They have attempted to destroy it before. There will be no mercy, I assure you. Besides, most of the holy land is stone based structures, a nuclear weapon would not have a large affect on that type of structure. The Nagasaki bombings show this in how the ancient temples remained standing. But, you're taking into account that Iran would really care. Trust me, they wouldn't. It has long been understood that if Israel is overrun, they have their own end game - which involves nuking their own country. In '73 when the Egyptians sprayed down the sand barrier in the Suez canal the IDF ran nuclear sorties over their airspace with no destination, in a holding pattern. So, it could be argued that no matter what happens, Israel is glass.

I have a ton of respect for that little country. I spend hours explaining to others their history and why they are so important to the United States, and to the middle east. I do not feel we should put Israel on the gambling table. It is too much to risk.

[streetdemon70]

honestly i dont get on here and debate much because i dont feel like im smart enough to properly articulate what im trying to say. from what i have been reading and researching and hearing is pretty much that if ron doesnt win, not much will really change. the other canidates are the same thing as obama, pretty much bought politicians.

Thats kinda how I am. I just sit back and read what everyone else has to say and mind my own business lol.

My opinion is that this economic crisis cannot be fixed. Our overspending and massive debt accumulation has done us in. Now, the Fed can take measures to slow the collapse through controlled money supplied growth, but think of this as life support. If you stop injecting money and end the near-zero rates, it is like pulling the plug on granny. All this is doing is keeping the fluids going and air flowing. The bad part is that the longer this is carried out, the worse the rest will be. I've already extinguished the word, "recovery." The reason this is still being carried out is because those in control (that caused this in the first place) are capitalizing from this, earning more than ever in the history of mankind.

Now some people believe that the "fix" is to just end this charade and get a reset over with.

And don't worry about everyone else's take on it, I'm sure they'll be chiming in shorty after I hit "submit."

thanks for sharing your thoughts

[streetdemon70]

They have attempted to destroy it before. There will be no mercy, I assure you. Besides, most of the holy land is stone based structures, a nuclear weapon would not have a large affect on that type of structure. The Nagasaki bombings show this in how the ancient temples remained standing. But, you're taking into account that Iran would really care. Trust me, they wouldn't. It has long been understood that if Israel is overrun, they have their own end game - which involves nuking their own country. In '73 when the Egyptians sprayed down the sand barrier in the Suez canal the IDF ran nuclear sorties over their airspace with no destination, in a holding pattern. So, it could be argued that no matter what happens, Israel is glass.

I have a ton of respect for that little country. I spend hours explaining to others their history and why they are so important to the United States, and to the middle east. I do not feel we should put Israel on the gambling table. It is too much to risk.

without getting into a long drawn out post care to elaborate why Israel is so important to the US? Not questioning you just new to the whole politics thing and it seemed to be a big issue the other night in the debate. If you dont want to explain it thats cool.

[CJ]

without getting into a long drawn out post care to elaborate why Israel is so important to the US? Not questioning you just new to the whole politics thing and it seemed to be a big issue the other night in the debate. If you dont want to explain it thats cool.

To summarize this as simple as possible. They keep our enemies in check. They are our henchman in the middle east. Shit needs to get bombed, we send them and attack via proxy. Without Israel, all of the middle east would be more unified against the west, with very little concern about repercussions. A lot of the intelligence we gather in the middle east is aided by Israel. They also develop excellent avionics technology and other weapon technology that benefits us.

[streetdemon70]

To summarize this as simple as possible. They keep our enemies in check. They are our henchman in the middle east. Shit needs to get bombed, we send them and attack via proxy. Without Israel, all of the middle east would be more unified against the west, with very little concern about repercussions. A lot of the intelligence we gather in the middle east is aided by Israel.

Thanks. Now i see why it was such a big issue the other night when Paul said he would end all foreign aid.

[CJ]

Thanks. Now i see why it was such a big issue the other night when Paul said he would end all foreign aid.

Foreign aid is usually bags of rice for africa, and other dumb shit like that. I have no problem with cutting that. But, he's also said he doesn't care what Iran does with nuclear weapons, and doesn't think it's our business. Essentially that is telling Israel they are being abandoned. He has said before he feels Israel is the reason we're hated in the middle east (hint: it is - and that's the way we want it).

[Up0n0ne]

I know you posted earlier about no one in the current Republican race being able to turn what has already been done but who do you think would be a good replacement to possibly try and turn things around? I am just starting to get into politics and giving a damn about who our next President would be, and like to hear what people have to say about the possibility of our next president.

The way I have come to see it, Paul is the only true Constitutionalist. Always has been and has never swayed. Which is what this nation IS supposed to hold as the law of the land. But hasn't for a long time.
No other career politician could give 2cents for it, as you can see.

All the others are for reaching the same nwo garbage, it's just the republicans will yield slower results than the dems.

The mainstream media and the neo-cons would like people to believe the paradigm of it being republicans vs. dems, which nowadays it is one of the same.

[CJ]

The way I have come to see it, Paul is the only true Constitutionalist. Always has been and has never swayed. Which is what this nation IS supposed to hold as the law of the land. But hasn't for a long time.
No other career politician could give 2cents for it, as you can see.

All the others are for reaching the same nwo garbage, it's just the republicans will yield slower results than the dems.

The mainstream media and the neo-cons would like people to believe the paradigm of it being republicans vs. dems, which nowadays it is one of the same.

You strike me as the typical crazy ass Ron Paul supporter.

[Up0n0ne]

Foreign aid is usually bags of rice for africa, and other dumb shit like that. I have no problem with that. But, he's also said he doesn't care what Iran does with nuclear weapons, and doesn't think it's our business. Essentially that is telling Israel they are being abandoned. He has said before he feels Israel is the reason we're hated in the middle east (hint: it is - and that's the way we want it).

Is Paul anti-Israel? We need to always back Israel, but also don't need to hold their hand.

[jw33]

At least Israel can help us out when things go straight to shit over here...