DeMarcus Ware released by Cowboys...

[Broncojohnny]

That's an ignorant bet. Ware will do better in Denver than he would have in Dallas. He has a MUCH better defense around him, which will make him look better than he is. Which is precisely why overpaying an aging, declining player would have been about as stupid as it gets. Like I said, you guys bitch all the time about Jerry overpaying players for past performance. And that's exactly what he would have done had he kept Ware.

Generally i complain when Jerry overpays people who don't perform. Homo is a great example.

My bet has nothing to do with Ware! Are you reading me right?

[bcoop]

Generally i complain when Jerry overpays people who don't perform. Homo is a great example.

My bet has nothing to do with Ware! Are you reading me right?

I read it as Ware gets 8 sacks, my bad. No way his replacement gets 8. Just like he wouldn't get 8 in Dallas either. Still a stupid bet.


So you complain when Jerry overplays players who don't perform. Yet Ware can't perform, and you're ok with him overpaying that guy. Makes perfect sense.

[petyweestraw]

All the buzz at work. Not like they can get much worse without him really.

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[Lone Sailor]

You really think Ware is worth $12,000,000+ this season? Seriously? You might need your head checked.


It had to happen. You will criticize him all day long for overpaying players past their prime, but when he lets one go, he gets criticized for that, too? I'm not defending Jones here. If you love this team, this was a GOOD business decision.

Apparently Denver does. 3 years, 30 million. 2014 guaranteed money, 13 million.

That's fine but D Ware isn't going to get close to that money anywhere else. The cowboys tried to make a deal for a lower amount and he said no I guess. Lets see how much he gets paid elsewhere. I bet its not even close to 12m, more in the 3 to 4 range.

Swing and a miss.

Ware will sign some where for about 7-8million.

Whoops.

[Broncojohnny]

I read it as Ware gets 8 sacks, my bad. No way his replacement gets 8. Just like he wouldn't get 8 in Dallas either. Still a stupid bet.


So you complain when Jerry overplays players who don't perform. Yet Ware can't perform, and you're ok with him overpaying that guy. Makes perfect sense.

Ware performed fine in every season if i use your own standards. You just told me his replacement won't even get 8 sacks.

[bcoop]

Ware performed fine in every season if i use your own standards. You just told me his replacement won't even get 8 sacks.

By my own standards? I said he will perform better in Denver because he has a great defense around him. He doesn't have that here.

19.5 to 11.5 to 6 is not "performing fine". It's a key indicator that he is on a sharp decline. I've got no doubt he can perform well enough in Denver. Because he doesn't have to carry the defense like he had to here. I still think Denver overpaid, and I have doubts Ware lives out that contract (injury).

[Sean88gt]

By my own standards? I said he will perform better in Denver because he has a great defense around him. He doesn't have that here.

19.5 to 11.5 to 6 is not "performing fine". It's a key indicator that he is on a sharp decline. I've got no doubt he can perform well enough in Denver. Because he doesn't have to carry the defense like he had to here. I still think Denver overpaid, and I have doubts Ware lives out that contract (injury).

Or the 19.5 was an anomaly? At what point is he considered worth the price?

[mstng86]

He overpaid all of those players that didn't deserve the money and then tried to short change the guy that deserved it the most.

[Rick Modena]

I guess the new guy Mincey is better than Ware? And the kid from Oregon (Beavers) Scott Crichton is someone that could come in and play.

[blownaltered]

He missed three games. Holy shit, now 11.5 sacks in a season is "bad". What are you guys smoking? Can I have some of that crack?

Ok ok ok...how about this, if Ware's replacement gets 8 or more sacks next season I will buy Brent a steak at Bob's. If he doesn't then Brent buys me a steak. No wine or any of that bullshit, before anyone gets wise, just a steak.

Ok I will put it this way and yes I only figured 13 games for 2013 season before you ask

2011 1.22 sacks per game
2012 0.72 sacks per game
2013 0.46 sacks per game

That looks like a decline to me

How about tackles

2011 3.63 per game
2012 3.50 per game
2013 3.08 per game

Again all stats for 2013 were figured for 13 games only.

[bcoop]

Or the 19.5 was an anomaly? At what point is he considered worth the price?

I wouldn't call it an anomaly. Starting in 06, he went 8, 11.5, 14, 20, 11, 15.5, 19.5, 11.5, 6.

[Broncojohnny]

By my own standards? I said he will perform better in Denver because he has a great defense around him. He doesn't have that here.

19.5 to 11.5 to 6 is not "performing fine". It's a key indicator that he is on a sharp decline. I've got no doubt he can perform well enough in Denver. Because he doesn't have to carry the defense like he had to here. I still think Denver overpaid, and I have doubts Ware lives out that contract (injury).

You said that less than eight is what the new guy will get, so i am saying that 6 sacks over 13 games should be an acceptable performance by your own standards.

I'm willing to bet a steak that Jerry Jones makes this into a total shit show. Now is there anyone here who will strap on a pair and take jerry's side of the wager?

[Broncojohnny]

I wouldn't call it an anomaly. Starting in 06, he went 8, 11.5, 14, 20, 11, 15.5, 19.5, 11.5, 6.

I have no idea how you look at that data string and say he is in a definite decline. I mean for all we know the injury that sidelined him could have been nagging him all season.

[CWO]

Ok I will put it this way and yes I only figured 13 games for 2013 season before you ask

2011 1.22 sacks per game
2012 0.72 sacks per game
2013 0.46 sacks per game

That looks like a decline to me

How about tackles

2011 3.63 per game
2012 3.50 per game
2013 3.08 per game

Again all stats for 2013 were figured for 13 games only.

The Dallas defense was pretty easy to figure out, and has gotten easier each year. It's not a coincidence.

opposing coaches strategy: block 94


I'm not sure how a team that went to the Super Bowl last year thinks he is worth it, but JJ didn't. Actually, I am sure.

[Broncojohnny]

I am just wondering how he turns in 11 sacks, a performance he has made twice before and all of a sudden it is a datapoint proving he is washed up. Maybe if there were two seasons with 6 sacks in that set of stats that would make sense.