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    Looking for a new block but whats the difference between the 302 mains, 351c mains and 351w mains?

  • #2
    you have a pm

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    • #3
      diameter
      Ring and pinion specialist

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      • #4
        Originally posted by greenbullitt View Post
        diameter
        That's what she said!
        86 SVO

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        • #5
          Originally posted by 1fast4 View Post
          That's what she said!
          Nice!!!

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          • #6
            to elaborate, you change the diameter of the mains to help with bearing speed
            Ring and pinion specialist

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            • #7
              Originally posted by greenbullitt View Post
              to elaborate, you change the diameter of the mains to help with bearing speed
              how does changing the main bearing diameter increase or decrease speed? Seems like a crank spinning at 800rpm's is gonna spin at 800rpm's, regardless of the main bearing diameter?


              I thought it was a surface area thing? less surface area = less drag/friction

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              • #8
                Originally posted by VETTKLR View Post
                how does changing the main bearing diameter increase or decrease speed? Seems like a crank spinning at 800rpm's is gonna spin at 800rpm's, regardless of the main bearing diameter?


                I thought it was a surface area thing? less surface area = less drag/friction
                Surface feet per minute
                Larger diameter w/same RPM more or higher surface feet per minute

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                • #9
                  OK, cool. Thanks

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by VETTKLR View Post
                    how does changing the main bearing diameter increase or decrease speed? Seems like a crank spinning at 800rpm's is gonna spin at 800rpm's, regardless of the main bearing diameter?


                    I thought it was a surface area thing? less surface area = less drag/friction
                    Originally posted by Kart21 View Post
                    Surface feet per minute
                    Larger diameter w/same RPM more or higher surface feet per minute
                    Yup.

                    think different gear ratio, kinda sorta the same thing.
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                    • #11
                      Any reason to pick one over the other?

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by slow90lx View Post
                        Any reason to pick one over the other?
                        Bearing speed

                        LOL - At a given engine speed, the engine with the smaller bearings would tend to have less wear and tear.

                        For example, a 3.000" main bearing travels 9.42477796076938, but a motor with a 2.250 main journal only travels 7.0685834705770345" per revolution. (imagine putting a line on the main journal, turn the engine over till you see that line again - it has traveled the distance listed above by the time you've turned the engine 360*)

                        The reason for the Cleveland main size, it's in between the 302 and 351W I believe, but can't remember the size exactly. There's a point of diminishing return in which a smaller main journal is a detriment to longevity and durability.

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                        • #13
                          Cleveland mains are 2.75" and the 351W's are 3.00". I've got a Cleveland main crank in my SVO A-351 Windsor main'd block with spacers

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by turbostang View Post
                            There's a point of diminishing return in which a smaller main journal is a detriment to longevity and durability.
                            Like expecting a pencil to support a crank spinning at full speed.

                            The way I think of it is this. Larger bearings use more metal and are more durable in the long run because of the surface area. Great in a minivan that you want to go 200,000 miles and only spins to 3500 at most, most of its life.

                            Smaller bearing use less metal but offer slower bearing speed so at higher RPM's the bearing surface area is taking less abuse. less surface area though so long term wear and tear will hurt it though.

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