i give up, soo,,....

[turbostang]

It's a little fucked up if you ask me. There are ways of showing people something without stomping on them.

I'm just a bit surprised at the way Brooks started off with the guy.

I guess he's getting pissy in his "old age".

You have no room to talk.. don't forget, you were the one hiding behind an alias on the canada board trying to talk about tuning - like you had tuned hundreds of cars.. and when I asked where you worked (for clarification of all your tuning prowess), you dodged over and over and over...

Now, what I said was no where near out of line - especially considering how many times he was told by others that what he was doing was foolish and wasteful. He was given MANY opportunities about other ways to achieve his goal.

The only part of this post that could be construed as "mean" is the oil changing part. Anything else about that post is merely taken out of context - like many other comments on this forum.

Now, with his replies coming back at family members - what do you supposed we should respond with?

I had a long lengthy reply typed up, and fucked it up - but long story short....

If you don't know some of the common lingo, then you have NO IDEA what you are getting into. You post this thread, and then get all butthurt when you're called out on it instead of doing some simple research.

Your planned purchase makes NO sense as stated above, many times. You are overbuilding and overspending so far, it's rediculous. Now, if you are building with the plans of expansion - go for it..but, I don't think you realise what "more than 500HP" really is.

If you don't know engines, you don't know that you are undoubtely getting into the tougher stuff like changing oil, adjusting rockers etc.

Your specific inquiry into compression ratios is comical, there is no magic number what will or will not work with pump gas.. or what will or will not make more/less power and I DOUBT that you could tell a difference either way.

MY engine is very close to what you are trying to build, or spec out - It probably makes near 500RWHP N/A. Now, why exaclty do you need to put a blower on that to make 500HP? I'd also guess that I have near 15,000$ in it.

just some food for thought -

http://www.summitracing.com/parts/AFR-1450/ HEADS -1840.95
http://www.summitracing.com/parts/ESP-B14003030/ROTATING ASSEMBLY - 1667.95
http://www.summitracing.com/parts/DRT-31385235/BLOCK - 2667.95

Just those parts alone are nearly 6200$. That doesn't include any of the valve train, machine work, oil pan, intake, injectors, gasket set, balancer, or accessories.

[WildBill]

Whatever Brooks.
Plain and simple. You came off wrong with the guy.

If you can't see that, I don't know what to say to you. Here's a kiss. Does that help?

You fuggers better hope he doesn't come home with PTSD and goes off on some of you!

[Skidmark]

I think maybe you are going about this wrong fbodyjohnny. Instead of saying I want exactly this or that, just tell people your goals on what you want from the motor and let people build you a combo. Then you can pick from there...

Some of the people posting in here have been pretty fast and know what they're talking about. Don't ignore their advice.

A while back I had a 2V and I wanted to modify it. A lot of people said don't waste your time with bolt ons and throw a blower on it. I went with what I wanted and ended up with enough in parts and labor to probably buy a nice used blower setup... and had a lot less power.

Are you done with fbods? Sell your car, pocket the money, buy this car, pocket the extra money, put a 12 bolt on it and have fun!

http://m.ls1tech.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1378666

lol

[turbostang]

Whatever Brooks.
Plain and simple. You came off wrong with the guy.

If you can't see that, I don't know what to say to you. Here's a kiss. Does that help?

You fuggers better hope he doesn't come home with PTSD and goes off on some of you!

Whatever nothing, you know I'm right - you know this board never forgets.

Wrong way, no - he started the thread with coming off the wrong way with the others. I merely filled in the gaps. After a MILD ribbing, he got good advice and he chose to ignore it.

[WildBill]

I think maybe you are going about this wrong fbodyjohnny. Instead of saying I want exactly this or that, just tell people your goals on what you want from the motor and let people build you a combo. Then you can pick from there...



lol

Exactly what I PMd him at the beginning of the thread.

The kid can't help that he doesn't know the terms and some of the concepts.


Unless he's Brooks. Brooks was BORN with the knowledge.


............hope you realize the sarcasm and get the point I'm trying to get across.

Sometimes we take for granted the knowledge that we have stored in out knoggins. There are some people out there that tech lingo and concepts might as well be a foreign language. They just don't grasp it. Yeah, they may not be your customer and you may not feel that you need to try and explain things better, but you never know that they COULD become your customer or someone that IS a POTENTIAL customer sees how you advise and explain things to them. WOOPS..........THERE IT WAS!

[fordracing19]

He could sell his current ride and put the 15k with it and get an 03-04 cobra. They make close to 500hp with a 2.76 and tune.

[turbostang]

Exactly what I PMd him at the beginning of the thread.

The kid can't help that he doesn't know the terms and some of the concepts.


Unless he's Brooks. Brooks was BORN with the knowledge.


............hope you realize the sarcasm and get the point I'm trying to get across.

Sometimes we take for granted the knowledge that we have stored in out knoggins. There are some people out there that tech lingo and concepts might as well be a foreign language. They just don't grasp it. Yeah, they may not be your customer and you may not feel that you need to try and explain things better, but you never know that they COULD become your customer or someone that IS a POTENTIAL customer sees how you advise and explain things to them. WOOPS..........THERE IT WAS!

Bill, I learned the hard way - by fucking shit up. A LOT of it. Yes, I realize that not everyone knows what I know, which isn't really a lot. Sure, my post may have came off as harsh - but I can assure you, it's a lot nicer than what most people were THINKING, but didnt' type.. or if one of the other 'senior' members would have said had they seen the thread.

I can't explain it any more plainly than I have - and all he hears is himself saying he doesn't want to do it a certain way, but he wants to do it HIS way.

Like I posted above (AGAIN), he hasn't done some of the more simple research, research that will answer a LOT of his questions and keep him from making some of the mistakes I made back in the day - but yet, he balks at ANY suggestion from damn near everyone in this thread..and is to blind to see relevant info when it's RIGHT in front of him.

...and to further add to it, I'll explain it to him over the phone so he can REALLY understand it. I have nothing to hide.

[WildBill]

Bill, I learned the hard way - by fucking shit up. A LOT of it. Yes, I realize that not everyone knows what I know, which isn't really a lot. Sure, my post may have came off as harsh - but I can assure you, it's a lot nicer than what most people were THINKING, but didnt' type.. or if one of the other 'senior' members would have said had they seen the thread.

I can't explain it any more plainly than I have - and all he hears is himself saying he doesn't want to do it a certain way, but he wants to do it HIS way.

Like I posted above (AGAIN), he hasn't done some of the more simple research, research that will answer a LOT of his questions and keep him from making some of the mistakes I made back in the day - but yet, he balks at ANY suggestion from damn near everyone in this thread..and is to blind to see relevant info when it's RIGHT in front of him.

...and to further add to it, I'll explain it to him over the phone so he can REALLY understand it. I have nothing to hide.

What's ironic about this thread is that I had a UTI kid come in the office and talk to me about a similar set up, but with much higher goals. I'm trying to point him to a 9.5 set up and all I keep hearing is 8.2 from him. Since he's a UTI student, he knows lots more than I do!
"But I want it to look "STOCK"! and make 1000RWHP on a 76mm turbo." OTAY BUCKWHEAT!

I dunno. Some people just have to make their own mistakes no matter what others tell them. Kinda like me not listening to my Dad about my first wife! LOL!

[WildBill]

He could sell his current ride and put the 15k with it and get an 03-04 cobra. They make close to 500hp with a 2.76 and tune.

Put a Whipple on your new toy and make WAY more than that.

[fordracing19]

Put a Whipple on your new toy and make WAY more than that.

If I had your money Bill it would already be done.

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[WildBill]

If I had your money Bill it would already be done.

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I heard you wuz big ballin' now.

[AMJ]

i really dont care what you have to say, its weird how mostly everybody else understands what i want. how about this, a 331 c.i. built however you want it, does NOT make even 400.... more like 380-390...... so, yes, i do want to put a vortech system on it to get it up to 500. i didnt read most of your reply because you're still taking me as a joke that dont know shit about shit about shit. grow up man. i appreciate your concern but i dont want what you are tryin to explain to me. if i have a $15,000 engine with other parts included, so what, thats MY baby, i will be able to do with it what i want.

dude this post is retarted!!!!theyre are cars running around with 302's puttin out 450-475rwhp are they streetable?that depends on who you talk to.streetability is a relative term whats streetable to you may not be to someone else and for fucks sake DO SOME FUCKING RESEARCH!!!!!!i may be 20 yrs old but ive been fuckin with cars longer than you been in the military.now i respect the fact your trying to learn i really do when i started workin on cars alot of mistakes between now and then but would i do it all again?yes,because its how you learn when i started messing with cars i was 9yrs old there was no internet there were books,and people who you'd learn from.now i dont mean to sound like asshole.list to the people like turbostang hes been around the block more than once hes a very smart guy and theyre are numerous others weather you take my advice or anybody elses that not my problem.BTW im bipolar and i couldnt get it to the army becuase im on meds other wise id be serving right now.its 3:08 in the mornin im goin some where else before i even attempt to read anymore of this thread.

[fbodyjohnny]

everybody keeps saying im "ignoring" their advice.... im NOT. i just DO NOT,,,, want the extra cubes, or the extra power that comes along with it... i just want,,,, a 331,,, that is BUILT,,, to handle,,, MY GOAL,,,,, without destroying it on the first few track runs... i RARELY even touch the gas if im just cruisin around.. so using it as my daily driver is not going to tear it down at all. sure i might run somebody here and there, but i make it another goal not to do that too much. its stupid. fun,,, but stupid. risky business. i just want the reliability factor, even though my HP goal is nothing to even worry about.. im sure a 351 setup making 8 or 900 hp has the same chance of grenading as a 331 thats all built up and pushing 6 or 700 hp. everything breaks, sometimes for the weirdest reasons, things you would never think of, just happen sometimes, but that has more to do with your driving style, how often you beat the shit out of it on the street or at the track. cmon, yall know that.

[bonnie&clyde]

everybody keeps saying im "ignoring" their advice.... im NOT. i just DO NOT,,,, want the extra cubes, or the extra power that comes along with it... i just want,,,, a 331,,, that is BUILT,,, to handle,,, MY GOAL,,,,, without destroying it on the first few track runs... i RARELY even touch the gas if im just cruisin around.. so using it as my daily driver is not going to tear it down at all. sure i might run somebody here and there, but i make it another goal not to do that too much. its stupid. fun,,, but stupid. risky business. i just want the reliability factor, even though my HP goal is nothing to even worry about.. im sure a 351 setup making 8 or 900 hp has the same chance of grenading as a 331 thats all built up and pushing 6 or 700 hp. everything breaks, sometimes for the weirdest reasons, things you would never think of, just happen sometimes, but that has more to do with your driving style, how often you beat the shit out of it on the street or at the track. cmon, yall know that.

just cause a motor can do 8-900hp if u build it the way you want it wont make that much power, just cause u drop a 351 in your car that doesnt mean you are automatically going to make 600+hp.. it will make what you build it to make and be able to tolarate better

[Magnimike1]

People recommend a larger motor because it will get to your horsepower wants with a lot more ease and at a lower RPM.

Less cam, less heads needed etc. More driveability factor.

IF you want to stay 302 based,(331) buy the low line of Dart blocks, get a decent rotating assembly, some decent heads and an off the shelf anderson cam like a n91 and voila. Done. Next...