i give up, soo,,....

[turbostang]

what do i do? i try to figure out why people like you DONT understand what i want.... for the millionth time.... i know its going to be close to 15k for whatever i do now, i really dont care anymore. if thats what its gonna cost, for soemthing that im going to be happy with, then ya know what? im gona go for it. im 23 yrs old, single, and have NO BILLS. i could tell ya what else i have in mind for the rest of the car, but i wouldnt want you to think that im trying to buy all new everything for 20 bucks. that would be wrong. i plan on spending around 40,000 on the whole car. will it just be a trailer queen when its all done and im in my mid 30's ??? fuck no. thats a whole " notha " story though right?

Geesh..

this is what im going to do now...
since NOBODY,, as in ( performance shops etc etc... ) can understand WHAT i want as far as an engine build, im just going to do it myself with the help of my dad and my uncle. i have tried and tried with damn near everybody, but they dont understand what i want and why i want it that way. its simple, all i want is a rock solid dart block, preferably 331 c.i. with a forged/balanced crank, forged connecting rods, forged pistons ( dished for lower compression ) trickflow or AFR heads that would work well for boost, and of course a cam, intake manifold throttle body that will be easy on the street, and of course deliver max performance under pressure

Problem #1 - good build, but WAY overkill for 500HP. No problem. You put the parts list together AND your complaining about the price. See my post about the cost of JUST the heads, block and rotating ass'y.

.... its THAT easy... i've lowered my HP goal to 475-500 at the wheels, so i dont understand why they all try telling me that its going to be NORTH of 15,000 for just the engine, nothing else... its either that or they all try telling me i need a 347 or 363 to get the job done, but that will use more oil on street driving, blah blah or they just dont email me back. so i have began my research and started building a list, found a nice dart block, fully machined and choice of any crank, rods, and piston setup for a decent price. im just stuck on that, idk what heads to go with.

Make up your fuckin' mind.. shit!!!

The next "problem". You called the ENGINE BUILDER and told them what you wanted power wise. They told you what you needed, and the price of what you wanted - 15K. But complained. One - the engine is WAY overbuilt, but that's fine, I preach overbuilding anyways, especially in THIS sense. 2)This particular combo, you'd damn near have to run a stock cam to make less power than what you are asking for N/A! (with any decent heads and camshaft selection, but could most likely be done with off the shelf parts!)

the power adder will be a new procharger setup, if i can tune for 12-15 psi OR whatever psi needed to reach my goal. whether it be 9 psi from the procharger and some help from water/meth, i dont care. for the compression ratio, i do understand that i need to stay in the low 8's and maybe 9, but then again, heads can change that as well so thats where im confused. also, there is a long list of probably 1 million other parts i need so any help, or suggestions would be appreciated. sorry for the long post, but i just had to get this off my chest. thanks ahead of time

See ALL of my previous posts - you don't NEED a blower if you are building any decent engine out of the parts listed above. The engine alone will make that power!!

Secondly, your initial posts say procharger - but you flipflop back and forth wtih Vortech?

Shit, just get a stud-girdled block and save your money from the Dart ass-raping. You're not looking for enough power to matter anyway.

This.

i would but i dont want the cubes. woody MIGHT talk me into a 347 but that,,, with the procharger or vortech setup would overshoot my power goal. i dont want or need anything past 500 at the wheels

You have no idea what you want.

[fordracing19]

I think Foxbodymike is smarter than this one.

[turbostang]

I think Foxbodymike is smarter than this one.

It's a tossup between this one, foxbodymike, and buffalohaltom

[fordracing19]

It's a tossup between this one, foxbodymike, and buffalohaltom

I wish I had the 15k to blow on pretty parts!

What the cost on mild stock block 351w with a street turbo kit and hp numbers?

[fbodyjohnny]

i said,,,, vortech/procharger..... the reason i say vortech later in the thread, is beause i researched further into both the systems, the better of the 2 is vortech. i DO know what i want. but ya know what turbostang?? you win man, pat on the back, 2 thumbs up, YOU WIN. hell im just gona have a 460 built and put a fuckin turbo from a freight train on it. fuck it right? lol damn man you brought out the bad guy in me. i dont like bein like this, its not what i came here for.

[fbodyjohnny]

I wish I had the 15k to blow on pretty parts!

What the cost on mild stock block 351w with a street turbo kit and hp numbers?

probly around i dont care ish.... maybe a lil bit more like, seriously, i dont give 2 shits about a 351... thats a good estimated price.

[80coupe]

so maybe you should just use a stock block with h/c/i and it will maybe make 400 or more this is dumpycapri car that we have been working on will make maybe 400 or more. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yEd1TPog7zM.

what brooks is trying to say is that with a motor build like that your going to make your goal hp just with motor i think lol im confused haa.

[fbodyjohnny]

i just dont get it at all. i made this thread in such a way for it to be "scratch paper" for ME.... yes,, ME.... with the "help" of people that actually "helped" unlike you, turbostang,,, i have been able to somewhat narrow down my " list " ..... im still not done with it, but im still not going anything bigger than 331.

[fordracing19]

gtfo then?

[fbodyjohnny]

so maybe you should just use a stock block with h/c/i and it will maybe make 400 or more this is dumpycapri car that we have been working on will make maybe 400 or more. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yEd1TPog7zM.

what brooks is trying to say is that with a motor build like that your going to make your goal hp just with motor i think lol im confused haa.

this is what makes that difference though, my plan is,,, to have an engine built to where, " strengthwise " it can handle 600+ .... but for the internal components, and heads, evrything else, i only want it to come out of the shop making 400 ish...... without restricting my goal to reach 500..... so, vortech system, and maybe water/meth if i want a more aggressive tune for more than 500.... thats the very best i can break it down.... i dont know how else to explain it.. it IS possible...

[fbodyjohnny]

gtfo then?

no. not for 2 people that dont see or understand what i am tryin to explain to them when everybody else does.... y'all 2 are jus tryna pick shit while you sit on your lazy asses and not doin shit. I on the other hand WOULD be doin shit if i could get a fuckin flight to my god damn FOB. been stuck here for 3 fuckin days, they keep bumping me off the manifest for piece of shit civilians that make 200,000 a year not doin shit over here. they can fuckin wait, i actually NEED to get back to my FOB. i actually do shit.

[bonnie&clyde]

this is what makes that difference though, my plan is,,, to have an engine built to where, " strengthwise " it can handle 600+ .... but for the internal components, and heads, evrything else, i only want it to come out of the shop making 400 ish...... without restricting my goal to reach 500..... so, vortech system, and maybe water/meth if i want a more aggressive tune for more than 500.... thats the very best i can break it down.... i dont know how else to explain it.. it IS possible...

ok we get that but we are telling you that if u want to have a reliable engine to make that HP you need to go bigger, yes a 331 Might be able to give you 600hp but it wont do it for long

[fbodyjohnny]

i understand you clearly bonnie&clyde with the amazing avatar, but i think my driving style will save that engine for a long time...

[WildBill]

Might just take the car to HPP and have them take all your money.

.......

[KBScobravert]

no. not for 2 people that dont see or understand what i am tryin to explain to them when everybody else does.... y'all 2 are jus tryna pick shit while you sit on your lazy asses and not doin shit. I on the other hand WOULD be doin shit if i could get a fuckin flight to my god damn FOB. been stuck here for 3 fuckin days, they keep bumping me off the manifest for piece of shit civilians that make 200,000 a year not doin shit over here. they can fuckin wait, i actually NEED to get back to my FOB. i actually do shit.

LOL easy trigger. If they are making that much coin they are doin shit. The ones that don't do shit make less then me which is less than 200,000. I wished I made NEAR that. Don't get your feathers in too much of a ruffle. Remember most of us civilians did time in your boots also. Look at this way; imagine life there without running water, hot water, flushing toilets, cooked chow, clean latrines, laundry services, HVAC, electricity etc and that will be like living on a FOB with NO civilians. I know becuase I have been to those places, it sucks.

Relax you are still getting paid and everyday that passes is one day closer to you going home. Us civilians look at it like everyday is a monday and we are never a day closer to going home because there is no light in our tunnels. lol

No get a hold of Woody and order a Dart 4.125" 347 or 363 with some AFR 185s and a Flow Tech Induction cam from Ed Curtis and call it a day.