i give up, soo,,....

[fbodyjohnny]

yes, i do understand that. but i dont want it and dont need it for my goal lol

[fbodyjohnny]

if i can go 331 built by woody, and easily push 500 at the wheels without maxing out the supercharger, i will be straight. like i said before too, i even plan on going water meth to keep things cooled down and use less boost to make that power

[turbostang]

I had a long lengthy reply typed up, and fucked it up - but long story short....

If you don't know some of the common lingo, then you have NO IDEA what you are getting into. You post this thread, and then get all butthurt when you're called out on it instead of doing some simple research.

Your planned purchase makes NO sense as stated above, many times. You are overbuilding and overspending so far, it's rediculous. Now, if you are building with the plans of expansion - go for it..but, I don't think you realise what "more than 500HP" really is.

If you don't know engines, you don't know that you are undoubtely getting into the tougher stuff like changing oil, adjusting rockers etc.

Your specific inquiry into compression ratios is comical, there is no magic number what will or will not work with pump gas.. or what will or will not make more/less power and I DOUBT that you could tell a difference either way.

MY engine is very close to what you are trying to build, or spec out - It probably makes near 500RWHP N/A. Now, why exaclty do you need to put a blower on that to make 500HP? I'd also guess that I have near 15,000$ in it.

just some food for thought -

http://www.summitracing.com/parts/AFR-1450/ HEADS -1840.95
http://www.summitracing.com/parts/ESP-B14003030/ROTATING ASSEMBLY - 1667.95
http://www.summitracing.com/parts/DRT-31385235/BLOCK - 2667.95

Just those parts alone are nearly 6200$. That doesn't include any of the valve train, machine work, oil pan, intake, injectors, gasket set, balancer, or accessories.

[fbodyjohnny]

I had a long lengthy reply typed up, and fucked it up - but long story short....

If you don't know some of the common lingo, then you have NO IDEA what you are getting into. You post this thread, and then get all butthurt when you're called out on it instead of doing some simple research.

Your planned purchase makes NO sense as stated above, many times. You are overbuilding and overspending so far, it's rediculous. Now, if you are building with the plans of expansion - go for it..but, I don't think you realise what "more than 500HP" really is.

If you don't know engines, you don't know that you are undoubtely getting into the tougher stuff like changing oil, adjusting rockers etc.

Your specific inquiry into compression ratios is comical, there is no magic number what will or will not work with pump gas.. or what will or will not make more/less power and I DOUBT that you could tell a difference either way.

MY engine is very close to what you are trying to build, or spec out - It probably makes near 500RWHP N/A. Now, why exaclty do you need to put a blower on that to make 500HP? I'd also guess that I have near 15,000$ in it.

just some food for thought -

http://www.summitracing.com/parts/AFR-1450/ HEADS -1840.95
http://www.summitracing.com/parts/ESP-B14003030/ROTATING ASSEMBLY - 1667.95
http://www.summitracing.com/parts/DRT-31385235/BLOCK - 2667.95

Just those parts alone are nearly 6200$. That doesn't include any of the valve train, machine work, oil pan, intake, injectors, gasket set, balancer, or accessories.

why would you be like that? ok, at least im taking a STEP into the world unlike some people that just buy the car and dont even care whats done to it or what its capable of... i am capable of learning how it all works. VERY capable. ya know what i plan on doin with the 306 once i rip it out? learning how to tear it down and put it back together, piece by piece, as many times that it takes for me to understand it. same thing for everything else. so just because RIGHT NOW,, i dont know EVERYTHING, that gives YOU the right to call me out and tell me that im not making sense? maybe you dont know what my FULL intent is. maybe i want a vortech supercharger system so i can have a base tune for anything close to 500, and then a more agressive tune for boost PLUS water/meth, to get me closer to 575-600.... so please, for the love of god, dont try and tell me im not making sense. what i want, is what i want. what i know, is ONLY what i know at the time. did you come out of your mommas crotch knowin EVERYTHING about cars? im sure you didnt. so step down from your throne and try bein normal like everybody else.

[fbodyjohnny]

a BIG reason why i bought this car is so i have something to work on and understand a little bit at a time. the reason i came to THIS SPECIFIC FORUM, was because i know there are a lot of guys on here that could help me understand some things, and push me in the right direction... now, with that said, i am NOT rejecting your information, i am only trying to tell you what i want, and why i want it THAT WAY. i dont want ALL MOTOR POWER...... i just dont,, ok?

[turbostang]

why would you be like that? ok, at least im taking a STEP into the world unlike some people that just buy the car and dont even care whats done to it or what its capable of... i am capable of learning how it all works. VERY capable. ya know what i plan on doin with the 306 once i rip it out? learning how to tear it down and put it back together, piece by piece, as many times that it takes for me to understand it. same thing for everything else. so just because RIGHT NOW,, i dont know EVERYTHING, that gives YOU the right to call me out and tell me that im not making sense? maybe you dont know what my FULL intent is. maybe i want a vortech supercharger system so i can have a base tune for anything close to 500, and then a more agressive tune for boost PLUS water/meth, to get me closer to 575-600.... so please, for the love of god, dont try and tell me im not making sense. what i want, is what i want. what i know, is ONLY what i know at the time. did you come out of your mommas crotch knowin EVERYTHING about cars? im sure you didnt. so step down from your throne and try bein normal like everybody else.

You are trying your damndest to spend foolish money, the kind people on here (including me) are tryint to keep you from bieng a fool and bieng taken by someone on the other end of your open-ended email inquiries.

The problem is, you have your shit out of order and you balk at the people who try to steer you in the right direction because you are so damn hard headed and have to do shit "YOUR WAY".

You STILL don't get it though. If you build an engine even remotely close to what I have, which is what you've pretty much spec'd out - it WILL produce 500HP. Why do you need a supercharger on top of that to make 500HP when you already fucking have it?

Now, the part you glazed over - the money. I spec'd only 3 things above. Those things are already approaching 6500$. The spec'd parts above do NOT include valve train, balancer.. fuck it, it's listed above....You balked at the fact that these "shops" have quoted you 13K or 15K or whatever it was, IMHO - it's not too far off considering they'd assemble it too.

Now that's all aside - you're gonna tear down your 306 after you get it out of the car and put it back together over and over? for what? so you know how to unscrew some bolts and put them back in where they came from? Taking apart an engine and putting it back together is one thing. Making it run is another, and making it LIVE is...well.. you guessed it, another. To further complicate things - tuning it... but you knew that, because your going to read about it, right?

What gives me the right to say you are not making any sense? The same fucking right that allows you to make your asenine redundant posts, and the same right that allows everyone else to respond to them. You posted this dribble on a public forum, you can expect to get answers. some of which you may not like. I don't know about you, but when I want an answer, I need a decent one - and that requires someone posting the relevant details such as "FULL INTENT" - not someone bitching about a 15,000$ price tag when they ask for GOLD, but expect a brass price.

Momma's crotch? Throne? be normal like everyone else? I can see you're a bit new around here, but I'm not - I've helped more people on here than you can count, and I will continue to do so. When people make foolish mistakes, I remind them of their decisions. Just like this one. WHen they make a good call, I tell them about it. When they need something welded, I weld it. When they make foolish posts (like a no boost thread) - I try to help them solve it...but you, what do you do?

[turbostang]

a BIG reason why i bought this car is so i have something to work on and understand a little bit at a time. the reason i came to THIS SPECIFIC FORUM, was because i know there are a lot of guys on here that could help me understand some things, and push me in the right direction... now, with that said, i am NOT rejecting your information, i am only trying to tell you what i want, and why i want it THAT WAY. i dont want ALL MOTOR POWER...... i just dont,, ok?

You may not want all motor power - ok, but you are getting it. You build a dart block motor with decent parts. You are getting that power, like it or not.

Next, you'll strap a weak ass street blower on it, and actually make it LOSE power...but that is a whole 'nother discussion.

[fbodyjohnny]

i really dont care what you have to say, its weird how mostly everybody else understands what i want. how about this, a 331 c.i. built however you want it, does NOT make even 400.... more like 380-390...... so, yes, i do want to put a vortech system on it to get it up to 500. i didnt read most of your reply because you're still taking me as a joke that dont know shit about shit about shit. grow up man. i appreciate your concern but i dont want what you are tryin to explain to me. if i have a $15,000 engine with other parts included, so what, thats MY baby, i will be able to do with it what i want.

[fbodyjohnny]

i know you know more than i do. i got that part.... you're telling me the same thing that many have told me before. its weird though how THEY understood it without me bein an ass to them about it.

[turbostang]

i really dont care what you have to say, its weird how mostly everybody else understands what i want. how about this, a 331 c.i. built however you want it, does NOT make even 400.... more like 380-390...... so, yes, i do want to put a vortech system on it to get it up to 500. i didnt read most of your reply because you're still taking me as a joke that dont know shit about shit about shit. grow up man. i appreciate your concern but i dont want what you are tryin to explain to me. if i have a $15,000 engine with other parts included, so what, thats MY baby, i will be able to do with it what i want.

How do you know a "331" won't make "even 400"? And if this were the case, WHY would you spend 15K on it for that small amount of power?

You are so blind, you are simply ignoring the facts. IF you build a 331, 347, 408 etc.. with a decent set of heads, a decent camshaft etc. it WILL make 500HP or damn near it.

SO, if you have this engine that makes damn near 500HP - why do you need to put a blower on it to make 500HP?

If you want 380-390HP, then SAY THAT. NOT 500. SHIT.

YOU complained about 15K, Now you are saying if you had it - so what?

You're so confused, you don't know WTF YOU said.

[fbodyjohnny]

what do i do? i try to figure out why people like you DONT understand what i want.... for the millionth time.... i know its going to be close to 15k for whatever i do now, i really dont care anymore. if thats what its gonna cost, for soemthing that im going to be happy with, then ya know what? im gona go for it. im 23 yrs old, single, and have NO BILLS. i could tell ya what else i have in mind for the rest of the car, but i wouldnt want you to think that im trying to buy all new everything for 20 bucks. that would be wrong. i plan on spending around 40,000 on the whole car. will it just be a trailer queen when its all done and im in my mid 30's ??? fuck no. thats a whole " notha " story though right?

[fbodyjohnny]

no guy, here is what you're missing,, im not going to have it built FOR 500 HP right outta the shop...... with the right setup, such as everything you mentioned above, i can have it built to come out with around 400... now,,, 400+100 is what turbostang??? 500 right? yes, so thats 100 hp i have to play with, if i want it, then hey, give it the boost it needs to make it,, if i want more from there,,, 550,575,600 then i will go water/meth on top of the boost..... isnt that easy to understand? wtf?

[fbodyjohnny]

the same thing im tryin to explain to you is exactly like this,,, ok, a 2011 mustang GT with the new 5.0 in it.... 412hp from the factory right?? ok,, now, put a supercharger on it and what do ya got??? more power right??? ding!!! i have never, EVER in my life had to explain something like this to someone that knows MORE than i do about it, i would think you would understand....

[fordracing19]

Look at some used engines on www.racingjunk.com Most of them with a cam change will be street friendly. You ask for help but ignore everything. Might just take the car to HPP and have them take all your money.

[fbodyjohnny]

im only ignoring 1 person. turbostang. there is a fine line between not wanting help that im asking for,,, and him trying to talk me into something i dont want... thats not what you call "help" .....