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    Is too much pump a bad thing?

    I am using an edelbrock 1790 pump on my coyote swap car because it is what I had on the shelf as a spare for the other car. It's running a -8 pickup, 12" long -8 screen, to a -8 screen filter and -8 up to the regulator, -8 over to the fuel rail to an adapter for the 3/8" line. Return to tank is -6. Pretty typical stuff however....

    During long bursts of full throttle and 1/2 tank, the car goes lean during a shift. My fear is that I am emptying the sump in the 03/04 cobra tank and losing fuel pressure. Granted, I wasn't watching the gauge at that time but I am thinking I have too much pump and it's emptying the sump too quickly. The return "splashes" back into the sump but more than likely shoots outside of it. I can probably put an elbow on it to return directly to the sump to fix that.

    Pump is old and was set aside as a spare. Sounds "metallic" internally compared to the good one in the Camaro. I think it's going bad but it holds 55# pretty well but changes sounds constantly at idle which tells me the pump is coming apart or is cavatating. I'm surfing around on summit right now looking at a couple of aeromotive pumps which are slightly smaller and a summit pump with a similar rating. Both of which are cheaper than the edelbrock pump.

    car has stock injectors, makes around 415 to the wheels and runs at 55# of fuel pressure. A/F is nice around 12.2 to 12.4 when loaded, but it's the lean after a hard 3rd to 4th shift that bugs me.

    Plan right now is to put the elbow on the in tank return and replace the pump. Just trying to figure out size of pump. Goal of 500 rwhp will be an upgrade within the next 2 years.

    Ideas?

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    subscribing. We have a similar issue in the mont.
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    • #3
      The sump in those tanks are just a spot welded 'cage', no? I mean, it's not segregated from the rest of the tank completely, so there's no real reason it should be able to drain it.

      I'd lean more towards a pump/pickup problem than anything. Have you verified that the pumps are at the right height, pickup filters are on etc?

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      • #4
        You can always put a purpose built tank with a factory style insert in it. Rick's Tanks makes one with a drop in the tank 455lph pump, would be way more than you need. They also offer cheaper alternatives that drop in too.

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        • #5
          I would do a real sump on bottom rear center of the tank. And a new pump. I like my A1000.
          Doug

          90 LX Coupe 5.0
          90 7up Vert. 5.0

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          • #6
            Well just talked to Rick's, they said their tanks are more geared toward drag racing, not sure how well it would work in a road race situation.

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            • #7
              If it's only lean during the shift I would think that is somewhat normal. I can't think of a single car I've test driven that doesn't pull the fuel back on a shift or during decel. Granted this is all based on stock cars and general automotive repair.

              If I am misunderstanding your description then I assume you are saying that the car runs lean after the 3-4 shift and that would be a problem.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by BlueCoupeRedVert View Post
                I would do a real sump on bottom rear center of the tank. And a new pump. I like my A1000.
                Needs to be centered, not at the rear. rear is great for acceleration but under hard braking it would go dry.

                I've talked to a couple more folks and the pump is possibly drawing the surge tank dry and the return needs a length of tube installed to make sure it's returning to the surge tank, not out side of it. Apparently some fuel safe cells were put together with the return to the general tank and had the same issue. re route the return to the surge tank and the problem goes away. ATL cells are plumbed this way with a return hose inside the surge tank pointing directly at the pickup.

                I'm going to source a new pump and add the hose to the return line in the tank hat and give it a go again.

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                • #9
                  aggie97,

                  Re: pump sizing - A pump that provides 400 lbs/hour of gasoline flow (at 55psi) should be adequate for the power level. This is about 65 gallons/hour.

                  Hope this helps,


                  Tom

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