My experience with TrueStreet

[TEAMJACOB]

I like Reefer Ray's comments in that first thread. No fuckin' way I'm touching someone elses' project without starting over from the beginning. In this case, I would've charged the customer to have the rotating assembly and block checked out before I ever threaded one bolt/nut on it. Some things are only learned the hard way, and both parties in this instance are learning this. It's how they handle the fallout that really counts if they have any reputation to uphold.

With that said, the mere thought of driving a 351 fox daily is insane unless you have intamate knowledge of what's going on under your hood, or a bottomless bank account.

i agree on all this. before my company was bought out i could
"afford it" but looking back, i probably should of just saved and bought a truck.
your last statement is why i dont think i will every build another car. it seems its just not for me. not rich and cant work on my shit well enough

[Blackpony]

i think so, i was some pics of them wrapped in plastic as if they were shipped and some "feel powder coated". i wasnt going to intentional try to mess one up to find out.

upper intake, lower intake, alternator bracket, and seems there were a few minor pieces, (maybe pulleys or timing pointer??)

[Mach1]

i think so, i was some pics of them wrapped in plastic as if they were shipped and some "feel powder coated". i wasnt going to intentional try to mess one up to find out.

so it sounds like you were trying to twist the powder coating stuff in your favor but it was never a problem in the first place based on the budget issues.

[mustang1200]

i think so, i was some pics of them wrapped in plastic as if they were shipped and some "feel powder coated". i wasnt going to intentional try to mess one up to find out.

So you deny allowing somethings to get painted instead of powder coated to save a little money? I could see avoiding the power steering pump from a coating stand point due the time involved with taking it apart and putting it back together.

[TEAMJACOB]

Then why go this far and not let us try and make it right? We simply were not given a chance.. IMO

toby, bro i brought it up there. clint didnt want to waste the hours to look at anything because he "knew" it was the balance of the engine which it wasnt.

on the phone call i posted, i asked why not back the tranny off look at the flywheel for me. hell i could of paid $100 or $200 bucks for that. do you remember having to order a few different flywheels because the ones you were looking at werent going to work? if it was a balance issue, how could your guys have gottened it on the dyno and tuned for me and driven around to make sure it was ready for pick up with out noticing a vibration. if it was in the motor, wouldnt it have been there from the start? wouldnt it have definately been noticed on the dyno before ya'll gave it back to me?

[89FivePointOh]

i am all open for a discussion, base on meeting you, your knowledge is extremely limited when it comes to cars. guessing this and betting that is not constructive. i am sure you had a good experience with them and i am positive so many others have. i am not screaming to the high heaven they are the worst shop in the history of cars. just they made a mistake and it should be resolved. everybody makes mistakes bro

You think so Chris? Lets see...

2002 Mustang GT - 601 HP/538 TRQ
1991 Eagle Talon - 376 HP - AWD
1995 Eclipse GST - 375 FWD HP
1968 Chevelle - Frame Off Restoration
Motor swapped Civics both Turbo and N20
1988 Mustang GT - Supercharged - 348/364

Look at this video:



FFWD to 25 seconds and you will see my 2002 GT that I built....

I don't lead on to the knowledge I have about cars, trust me....

[TEAMJACOB]

so it sounds like you were trying to twist the powder coating stuff in your favor but it was never a problem in the first place based on the budget issues.

why does it seem that way. i paid for all brackets, and accessories to be powder coated. listen to the phone call. or check the invoice. i paid $150 to have the alternator bracket powder coated? the tension, ac, power steering bracket, alternator were all not powder coated. my alternator was never to be done though because it was polished

[Mach1]

why does it seem that way. i paid for all brackets, and accessories to be powder coated. listen to the phone call. or check the invoice. i paid $150 to have the alternator bracket powder coated? the tension, ac, power steering bracket, alternator were all not powder coated. my alternator was never to be done though because it was polished

I didn't see it itemized on the receipt, I didn't hear the whole phone call since you didn't post the whole phone call.

[TEAMJACOB]

So you deny allowing somethings to get painted instead of powder coated to save a little money? I could see avoiding the power steering pump from a coating stand point due the time involved with taking it apart and putting it back together.

yes what clint said is a lie. he is at home now with his family. does he really remember that in the scheme of how many cars come throught there. in the phone call it also says that the only thing i ever said "no" to was long tube headers because that was the end of the build and when i was officially out of money.

[DON SVO]

I've never seen a brand new flywheel with the dowl pins installed. I've always had to install them. So who ever installed the flywheel with out the dowl pins should have known better. For one thing it would be a pain in the ass to install a clutch with out the pins in place.

The invoice shows he paid for the brand new flywheel, which means True Street installed it.

he didn't assemble the short block so why would he be responsible for the rear main seal. Also how did he damage your clutch fork/.

The invoice on page 1 shows he also paid for a real main seal and was charged labor for the engine assembly, which means True Street put it in.

why do you complain about parts being in boxes? they were all almost new and i posted exactly how it would come in my original thread and you guys contacted me for the job.
http://www.dfwmustangs.net/forums/sh...ght=shops+asap

If Clint didn't do the work himself, he might not have even known the dowel pins were missing and that gives even more incentive to stick to his guns, especially after this thread and the other ones.

His tech installed the flywheel, therefore TrueStreet needs to stand behind their tech's work.

Correct, crank, rods, pistons, rings, bearing, we're all installed in block when it showed up.

What in the internal rotating assembly would cause an INTERMITTENT RPM-dependent vibration?

[TEAMJACOB]

I didn't see it itemized on the receipt, I didn't hear the whole phone call since you didn't post the whole phone call.

i can text it or email it to you. it is with iphone memos and the only way i got the segmented one was recording a recording with a tape recorder. then playing the tape recorder back and recording video with my phone. then uploading to youtube. lol. i tried with the longer one, but i got a call once and it messed up, and the second time, it was loud and unclear. regardless of anything, i will post that whole thing up just so im not a "liar"
i have to go to apple

[Baba Ganoush]

i agree on all this. before my company was bought out i could
"afford it" but looking back, i probably should of just saved and bought a truck.
your last statement is why i dont think i will every build another car. it seems its just not for me. not rich and cant work on my shit well enough

I'm glad you've at least learned that it takes ALOT to enjoy this crazy hobby. Five grand is NOT a drop in the bucket, unless you are a hot rodder.

Hell I am working on a very simple (in my mind) project, but I'm not expecting to get ANY help from anyone just because it's my idea, and they're not into it. Knowledge and experience aside, I have to word my questions to others very carefully and only seek out those that can answer without adding their opinion. I have to stay out of my shop for DAYS sometimes, but that is part of the grind, it can be a very frustrating hobby for all of us.

I can't imagine trying to buy that knowledge/time/patience/expertise/perfection/piece of mind that I require to have to be satisfied.

I truly hope you guys work this out.

[mustang1200]

yes what clint said is a lie. he is at home now with his family. does he really remember that in the scheme of how many cars come throught there. in the phone call it also says that the only thing i ever said "no" to was long tube headers because that was the end of the build and when i was officially out of money.

I listened to the call and when you brought up the powder coating you instantly said, but that's no big deal and never allowed him to speak. He never actually commented on the powder coating claims. $150.00 seems about right for coating a hand full of small parts. I've had numerous things coated out in Burleson so that's what I'm basing it from.

[Blackpony]

toby, bro i brought it up there. clint didnt want to waste the hours to look at anything because he "knew" it was the balance of the engine which it wasnt.

on the phone call i posted, i asked why not back the tranny off look at the flywheel for me. hell i could of paid $100 or $200 bucks for that. do you remember having to order a few different flywheels because the ones you were looking at werent going to work? if it was a balance issue, how could your guys have gottened it on the dyno and tuned for me and driven around to make sure it was ready for pick up with out noticing a vibration. if it was in the motor, wouldnt it have been there from the start? wouldnt it have definately been noticed on the dyno before ya'll gave it back to me?

the reason the flywheel was wrong, is at first you provided us with a part number for some generic flywheel that ended up being for a truck that requires a 164 tooth flywheel not a 157. I personally drove the car around after it was pulled off the dyno, as per Sean request to see what I though about the driveability, it ran fine to me, though i never hammered on it, but there was never a mention of an odd vibration on the dyno. Sean is very picky when it comes to this and I promise you, he would have mentioned it. Work with him for one day and you will know what i mean!! haha

why does it seem that way. i paid for all brackets, and accessories to be powder coated. listen to the phone call. or check the invoice. i paid $150 to have the alternator bracket powder coated? the tension, ac, power steering bracket, alternator were all not powder coated. my alternator was never to be done though because it was polished

yes, but we mentioned there would be an additional charge to remove the ps bracket and you said to just paint it. Also lets not forget about the huge intake that was coated. Call around and you will see the price you paid will reflect the amount of parts coated. Why would we go through the trouble to drive 20 mins, of SHOP time mind you, one way to drop off and pick up your parts to get coated only to cheat out one bracket that was still attached if you requested it to be painted?? that makes 0 sense...

[shumpertdavid]

Not taking sides, just merely trying to make sure my thinking is mostly correct. I do general auto repair/electrical/driveability mostly, heavy engine work is not my thing. My current installed regal motor was not balanced when I had the machine work done (I was a punk kid just outa high school, no money, no experience, ect). It has had (what most would consider a pretty severe shakes the whole car if held steady at 2500 rpm in neutral/park) vibration from the exact moment of first start up and still has one to this day. It's only had probably 8-10 thousand miles put on it since I put it together and in the car back in 99'.

I'd assume that if the motor was/is out of balance that bad, it would have been apparant when the car was first started and noticeable during dyno tuning, original drive home etc. For the vibration to come and go randomly, wouldn't it make sense for something to have to shift or move around. How long did foxbody mike fight vibration issues to have it resolved by missing pressure plate dowels (as indicated by him) along with several other threads started by other members in the garage section.

It's damn near a guaranteed bet that if anyone removed teamjacobs engine as it currently sits, take all the rotating assembly components (crank, rods, pistons, flywheel, and balancer) and has any capable machine shop check it for a balance issue, it will fail. Teamjacob would have been responsible for the engine removal and machine work the second time solely based on that premis, according to the info posted by Truestreet in the thread.

The question at that point would be if it would cure and intermittant vibration the car is said to have. Like I stated before, my current motor is not balanced, I know I wasn't billed for it, didn't request it, and wasn't advised by the machine shop to do it at the time I had it done.

My pending motor has had all of the rotation assembly balanced form the balancer to the flexplate. My mustang motor has been balanced from it's balancer to the sfi flexplate I bought for it. Lesson learned on my part.