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It's been said a million times but this is why you learn to do the work yourself."When the people find that they can vote themselves money, that will herald the end of the republic." -Benjamin Franklin
"A democracy will continue to exist up until the time that voters discover that they can vote themselves generous gifts from the public treasury." -Alexander Fraser Tytler
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Originally posted by Badass2000GT View PostYes you are Kyle. I think there is already too much lying going on in this thread so lets not add more to it.
My take on the whole thing - Clint is a cool cat, and heard lots of good things about TSM.
....There was a reason I didn't take this job when you asked me about it. It's the same reason I make it perfectly clear (on work like this), this if this thing comes apart, or has some sort of problem, it's YOURS. It's the same reason I take a LOT of pics of every car I work on - paint, interior, etc.
Having said all that, the dowel pin definitely presents a problem, but maybe not THE problem. The fan coming off and and trashing the radiator is a BIG problem that likely bent the waterpump shaft.. which could VERY likely be your intermittent vibration problem, but I didn't see it mentioned anywhere.
The only two parties that know what's going on are you and TSM. Personally, I think both are a bit on the faulty side - You, more so, for not knowing more about what you want done, symptoms of problems, and end results if something is 'vibrating'.
TSM's only fault here (if it didn't happen) is not making you sign a waiver if that shortblock goes tits up - since they didn't build it.
The bill, and the total - if you paid it, you obviously felt their work was worth the price, and what you paid - so, in this case, the price is fair. You should have kept tabs on it. Did you have some sort of buyers remorse after you thought it over?
I'll vouch for the fact that IF there's a problem with the balance work, there's only ONE way to find it - tear it ALL the way back down and have a 3rd party machinist check it - not a machinist you spec, or not one that TSM specs, but someone completely unbiased...so neither party can complain of a biased opinion. Bad or good, you should be resposible for that 3rd party bill, as it should have been done right the first time. If it ended up bieng bad, you'd pay again for the 2nd R&R work, obviously if there was a build problem -I'd think that TSM would cover it - as it appears Clint has already outlined.
If the dowel was at fault, I'd expect that TSM would cover it. I would. If you look hard enough, there's unhappy customers from every shop in this area, including me. You can't make everyone happy - but you can give 100%. If you do that, and they're still not happy, then happy trails - you've done your job.
I hope you guys get it worked out, but I think this thread has cost you more $$$.
Edit: I'd also like to know what the perception of a "vibration" is too.
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Originally posted by TEAMJACOB View Postthis. this thread went about as expected. i rather not sue someone. ive never done it and have had to look it up to see how. its really a shame. at the very least, you are going to have one side saying one thing, and another saying the other. you will also have some third party guys see it one way and the other guys see the other.
i just find it hilarious that with everything that i have posted and not even including what i hadnt bothered to post such as the receipts etc etc, that clint or anybody for that matter, could think that this was a 6 month scheme where i went out and bought parts, and made posts, and went to shops, and had work done, and still came on here knowing some of the backlash i would get.
its pretty simple he blamed another shop for it being the shortblock so he refused to help
and it was not the shortblock, it was his install.
at the very least members can see both sides and make their own decision vs just trusting a shop because they are a paid advertiser. i bet they get the dowel pins in from here on out
My statement was simply the evidence is inconclusive. You will likely spend more money trying to win a law suit then what's it's worth. I guess the question is are you willing to loose the law suit? If not then don't do it.sigpic
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Originally posted by Dan03mach View PostI've never seen a brand new flywheel with the dowl pins installed. I've always had to install them. So who ever installed the flywheel with out the dowl pins should have known better. For one thing it would be a pain in the ass to install it with out the pins in place.
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Originally posted by TEAMJACOB View Posti just wanted them to look at the flywheel and they refused and that was the problem. their problem. i knew the risk of posting this and ill be done with the thread when i get the whole audio online. its obvious they messed up and refused to look at it
it was block, pistons, crank, and rods. rear main seal goes where? i really dont know.
let me post the audio
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FWIW, One more thing - I've taken many cars apart that have NOT had a dowel pin (in the flywheel) and if I didn't tell you, you'd never know. It doesn't make it right or wrong, i'm just saying.
Those bolt holes in a flywheel are close tolerance, and likely only have about
.015" clearance, if that. Meaning, that it's unlikely (but possible) that it's causing a severe enough vibration to tear it back down.
I would be much more concerned about missing dowels in the belhousing and pressure plate - that's where the real runout and unbalance potential is at.
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Originally posted by Badass2000GT View PostYou bitch.
This bitch doesn't accuse people of being other people.
Would you say this thread is manly, or bitch-like?
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Originally posted by talisman View PostThis bitch doesn't accuse people of being other people.2010 F-350 6.4L SRW CC 4X4
Spartan tunes, 5 inch flo-pro, 4 inch down pipe, cold side piping, AFE stage 2 CAI, EGR delete, Air Dog II
2012 Mustang 5.0 GT Stock........for now.
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Originally posted by talisman View PostThis bitch doesn't accuse people of being other people.
Would you say this thread is manly, or bitch-like?
http://www.dfwmustangs.net/forums/sh...&referrerid=382010 F-350 6.4L SRW CC 4X4
Spartan tunes, 5 inch flo-pro, 4 inch down pipe, cold side piping, AFE stage 2 CAI, EGR delete, Air Dog II
2012 Mustang 5.0 GT Stock........for now.
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