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  • 2011+ 5.0 - stock filter vs K&N

    Wow, very surprising.


    Originally posted by SID297






    Sometimes an interesting idea for an article just simply presents itself. Such was the case here. A mod that we have for the SVTP 2012 Yellow Blaze Mustang GT just so happened to arrive with a K&N Drop-In Replacement Filter for the stock airbox. Since it has long been thought that a high-flow replacement filter is worth a couple of horsepower of the factory paper unit, and circumstances found us in the vicinity of Arrington Performance's Superflow chassis dyno (our favorite dyno facility to use for testing), we decided to do a little back-to-back testing. Follow along for the results:



    The deeper pleats of the stock filter would appear to allow it to hold a greater volume of dirt before needing to be replaced/cleaned.




    Here you can see the physical height difference of the two filters.




    Fitment of the stock filter.




    Fitment of the K&N filter.




    This is our best run with the stock filter, 381.8HP 372.2TQ.




    This is our best run with the K&N filter, 377.2HP 368.5TQ.




    This a comparison of the best runs with both filters.

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    We ran a total of three back-to-back runs with each filter, with the following results:

    Stock Filter
    381.8HP 372.2TQ
    375.1HP 371.9TQ
    376.1HP 369.3TQ

    K&N Filter
    377.2HP 368.5TQ
    373.0HP 363.7TQ
    368.0HP 361.7TQ

    I believe it’s safe to say that at the very least you will not see a tangible power gain with simply a drop-in filter. However, that’s not really the purpose of that type of filter. It is intended help save you money by being washable and reusable instead of disposable like the stock filter. Whether you’ll own your vehicle long enough recoup the initial investment is a question of usage. If you rack up a lot of miles or drive in dusty conditions a drop-in K&N filter may be worth it for you, but not if you’re looking for more power.


    Special Thanks To:

    Arrington Performance and ShopSupercharger.com

    StacyStangz Photography


    - SID297 - :beer:

  • #2
    [center]I think this car is starting to get pretty comfortable on this dyno.




    The SVTP has sadly been returned to stock, but not for long.




    The subject of today's test. It appears to be endorsed by Ford Racing.




    The part number for those who may be interested.




    As it comes out of the box.




    The heavy rubber construction of the K&N is far more robust than the stock filter's foam rubber.

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    • #3
      Interesting. I would have expected a small power gain, but not a consistent power loss.
      - Darrell

      1993 LX - Reef Blue R331ci
      1993 Cobra #199 - SOLD

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      • #4
        I dropped a K&N air filter in my 2011 two weeks ago or so. I noticed no appreciable change in performance. I'm surprised to see I lost power with that filter, though.
        Men have become the tools of their tools.
        -Henry David Thoreau

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        • #5
          I remember someone getting similar results on the Challenger's. Stock filter and airboxes have come a long way and are pretty effecient from the factory. Now add a smooth aftermarket CAI with K&N and the results will be better
          2012 SRT8 Challenger 392 Hemi-6 speed
          Bright Silver Metallic w/ Black Stripes
          Leg Maker Inc. 4"Carbon Fiber CAI
          Speedlogix Catch Can
          Resonator Delete

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          • #6
            What sort of real world numbers are people getting out of a CAI with or without a tune?
            - Darrell

            1993 LX - Reef Blue R331ci
            1993 Cobra #199 - SOLD

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            • #7
              Originally posted by red95gts View Post
              What sort of real world numbers are people getting out of a CAI with or without a tune?
              I know that on the 392's the LMI Carbon Fiber intake gets 12 rwhp and 11 rwtq improvement without a tune.
              2012 SRT8 Challenger 392 Hemi-6 speed
              Bright Silver Metallic w/ Black Stripes
              Leg Maker Inc. 4"Carbon Fiber CAI
              Speedlogix Catch Can
              Resonator Delete

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              • #8
                The only time I ever noticed K&N's adding power was 30 years ago when I put six of them on my Honda CBX w/Mikuni's. I've used them for years, but really more because they could be cleaned, oiled, and re-used.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by BERNIE MOSFET View Post
                  I dropped a K&N air filter in my 2011 two weeks ago or so. I noticed no appreciable change in performance. I'm surprised to see I lost power with that filter, though.


                  No refunds!

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by talisman View Post
                    No refunds!
                    lmao!

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by red95gts View Post
                      What sort of real world numbers are people getting out of a CAI with or without a tune?
                      You can't run an aftermarket CAI on a 5.0 without tuning for it. So there really is no baseline for CAI + no tune.

                      But from what I've seen, even the CAIs are of dubious value. A few are pretty good at isolating hot underhood air from the intake (Steeda, etc) but a few are just awful and raise the IATs over stock by 100 degrees or so.

                      I could have replaced my stock airbox and filter long ago... but I decided to just roll with it. I'm not too far off all these modded cars so I'll just keep chuggin along.
                      When the government pays, the government controls.

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                      • #12
                        Stupid K&N! I can never do NOTHING!

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by talisman View Post
                          No refunds!
                          LOL

                          Men have become the tools of their tools.
                          -Henry David Thoreau

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by 46Tbird View Post
                            You can't run an aftermarket CAI on a 5.0 without tuning for it. So there really is no baseline for CAI + no tune.

                            But from what I've seen, even the CAIs are of dubious value. A few are pretty good at isolating hot underhood air from the intake (Steeda, etc) but a few are just awful and raise the IATs over stock by 100 degrees or so.

                            I could have replaced my stock airbox and filter long ago... but I decided to just roll with it. I'm not too far off all these modded cars so I'll just keep chuggin along.
                            air raid makes a cai that works with no tuning.... just saying

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                            • #15
                              Dang I figured most of my gains was from my CAI and not from my tune, longtubes, off road x pipe, boss 302 intake, etc...
                              2010 F-350 6.4L SRW CC 4X4

                              Spartan tunes, 5 inch flo-pro, 4 inch down pipe, cold side piping, AFE stage 2 CAI, EGR delete, Air Dog II

                              2012 Mustang 5.0 GT Stock........for now.

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