Any options on storing/purchasing bulk e85?

[dville_gt]

Trying to decide if I want to run e85 in the coupe with the turbo. With the 10:1 compression I figure it'll really like either e85 or meth. Only problem with e85 I see is I am running an 8 gallon cell and live 10miles from a e85 pump. Ideally I'd like to get a 55 gallon drum and fill the car out of that but I have a feeling keeping 55gallons of fuel in the garage is probably not safe nor legal.

Any options here? The only thing I can think of is to either say screw it and run a meth injection setup or possibly see if I can buy some e85 through my FIL who owns agricultural land (assuming he'd do that and that they'll sell it to him and that I can store it, all big assumptions).

So, any other options for a street/track car and e85?

[KBScobravert]

I switched to an 18gal tank for my E85. When I do get it up and running I am planning on a 55gal barrel in the garage.

[turbostang]

I'm in the same predicament for my truck. I don't have a proper place to store it and damn sure don't want it where I cut/grind/weld all the time.

I'm likely to try meth injection myself, it's probably not as 'good' of a solution, but I don't want to run race gas if possible.

[dville_gt]

I'm in the same predicament for my truck. I don't have a proper place to store it and damn sure don't want it where I cut/grind/weld all the time.

I'm likely to try meth injection myself, it's probably not as 'good' of a solution, but I don't want to run race gas if possible.

I've heard that meth will allow you to get away with a little less fuel system then you'd normally need. Any truth here?

Also, anyone know how long a gallon of methane last (and can you still run the o'reilly washer fluid?)

[turbostang]

I've heard that meth will allow you to get away with a little less fuel system then you'd normally need. Any truth here?

Also, anyone know how long a gallon of methane last (and can you still run the o'reilly washer fluid?)

I doubt there's any appreciable measurement in fuel system demand, besides - why chance it?

Meth is usually diluted and lasts a pretty damn long time from what I've read. You can run cat piss in it as long as you tune it right, but it's ability to resist detonation will not be as good as meth/water

[dville_gt]

I doubt there's any appreciable measurement in fuel system demand, besides - why chance it?

Meth is usually diluted and lasts a pretty damn long time from what I've read. You can run cat piss in it as long as you tune it right, but it's ability to resist detonation will not be as good as meth/water

i plan to have more then enough fuel for a gas setup (possibly enough for e85 and my combo), but there are some folks on ls1tech who claim to have squeezed an extra 200hp out of their combo's at the same duty cycle with meth, that was the only reason i asked.

i see some adding some nitro in as well, any advice here? from what i recall reading you can run up to ~10% nitro with the meth and it is self-enriching. not sure if there is any truth there but seems like that could be worth quite a bit of power (without having to mess with the tune too much)

[turbostang]

i plan to have more then enough fuel for a gas setup (possibly enough for e85 and my combo), but there are some folks on ls1tech who claim to have squeezed an extra 200hp out of their combo's at the same duty cycle with meth, that was the only reason i asked.

i see some adding some nitro in as well, any advice here? from what i recall reading you can run up to ~10% nitro with the meth and it is self-enriching. not sure if there is any truth there but seems like that could be worth quite a bit of power (without having to mess with the tune too much)

With the meth, you're cooling the air charge and giving it a small amount of octane. Those things are what's giving you the ability to push some timing into it - the lead, of course, is what's giving it the power. I've tuned many a turbo car that's picked up 50-100HP with 2 degress of timing, it's not uncommon, but.. I'd have to question 200. That tells me one of two things - either the tune was VERY lazy to begin with, or it was VERY far off.

[slownbmta]

Seems like a waste if your goals are just 600hp still.

[Sam88gta1]

You are limited by the motor not by octane. All E85 or Meth will do for you is give a false sense of hope that you can make more power safer. Are you willing to push the engine?

Btw its my opinion that the s475 was totally the wrong turbo for your combination. You made the same mistake that most people make when going turbo.

[turbos66coupe]

I don't think they claim that methylachohol/water mix gave them 200hp they are saying they use it as another fuel source wich it is. the combo already had the power but instead of buying 85lb/hr injectors and running a safe tune they use the meth injection as a crutch. Problem is if you run out your screwed, and unless you put another 5gal cell in the trunk it doesn't last long. But after you buy a kit with a 5gal cell your in the 500-600 dollar park. Safer to just buy bigger injectors, pump etc.

Also don't think you can't run 10:1 and pump gas with the turbo. You may be limited on boost and timing but you won't need more boost or timing to make the power. The more timing a motor needs to make power the less efficient it is. If you can make 600 on 19-20 deg of timing and 6lbs than who cares. Or you can run 8:1 run more timing and 12lbs. Point is you get the same end result

[dville_gt]

You are limited by the motor not by octane. All E85 or Meth will do for you is give a false sense of hope that you can make more power safer. Are you willing to push the engine?

Btw its my opinion that the s475 was totally the wrong turbo for your combination. You made the same mistake that most people make when going turbo.

i def. plan to push this engine, i want to keep it relatively safe for a while then turn up the wick once i have some cash for a forged setup. you might be totally right about the turbo choice, at the end of the day i picked it up for a song and it came highly suggested by quite a few (including jose @ forcedinductions, turbodave, folks on tech, and brooks), this is by no means knocking what you are saying, i expect that there is not much in terms of power difference between the two turbos, i am just on the upper edge of the mpt76 compressor map and the bottom edge of the s475. i always appreciate your input and think highly of your opinion, between the deal i got and consideration for the future upgrades, the t6 flange seemed to offer me a better deal.

[JamesB]

there should be nothing illegal with have a 55g drum of fuel in your garage. What is the difference in having 11, 5 gallon plastic containers. I stored some in my garage for years. They also make a very nice welding blanket that is made from wool and not fiberglass. You could always cover it with one if you create sparks from grinding , etc..

[Junkie]

I keep a 55 gallon drum of E85 in my garage when I'm running it in any car, just fill up before I leave the house if I'm not going by a station

[dville_gt]

I keep a 55 gallon drum of E85 in my garage when I'm running it in any car, just fill up before I leave the house if I'm not going by a station

how do you guys fill the drum? you buy it full or just take the chance filling it at a station with it in a truck bed?

[slownbmta]

I buy mine full so I know it's true e85 instead of worrying about summer/winter blend consistency. But I dont drive my car that much, so it's no big deal to me.