Tpi iroc vs 5.0 lx ..

[JC316]

There were a couple of different cams in the 305 TPI cars, and normally the 5 speeds were the larger cam. IIRC, it was about 25hp different. Keep in mind, we are talking about STOCK cars here. The aftermarket for the third gens was horrible, so they were pretty much always slow.

If both cars were stock, that's the way I remember it playing out and I grew up racing these slow pieces of shit.

You're high about the LT1 cars. Any LT1 car that didn't have 2.73 gears would drag the fuck out of a stock 5.0. There were an assload of them that were running deep 13's stock around here.

+1. So, lets get some facts straight here.

The 5.0L TPI IROC-Z was at it's best with an automatic in 1985, made 215HP. Then it was detuned for 86-88, made a craptastic 190HP, except for the manual tranny, which was bumped to 220HP. In 89 and 90, the G92 package with the 5.0L and a manual got 230HP.

Now, the IROC could also be ordered with the TBI and Carbed engines which also suck major ass. So, if you ran an 86 Iroc with TPI auto, it will get dusted, however an 89 G92 would likely smoke any stock fox body 5.0L mustang.

The 5.7L's also got different power levels, 225HP in 87 and peaking at 240HP and 345ftlbs of torque with the G92 package in 89. The one my mom has is an 89 with 230HP/330ftlbs and a 2.77 gear ratio.

On to an LT1 car, there is no way in HELL that a stock POS 5.0L coupe is going to take one. I could barely pull them in my 4V swapped 96 GT. I also know that a 5.0L coupe isn't going to take an L98 Vette.

[91CoupeMike]

+1. So, lets get some facts straight here.


On to an LT1 car, there is no way in HELL that a stock POS 5.0L coupe is going to take one. I could barely pull them in my 4V swapped 96 GT. I also know that a 5.0L coupe isn't going to take an L98 Vette.

What year are the l98?

I beat a 87 vette.

I Also ran a few lt1s on the hwy a long time ago, and I pulled.

I'm down to run anyone, I'm not box stock tho.

[JETFAST]

The fox was the car to beat until the 4th gen lt1 came out, then it would take a good amount of bolt ons to run with it. then the ls1 came out, and you needed H/C/I Stroker, or spray.

Were the fox really got over on the 3rd and forth gens, is the trangulated 4 link being a better design then the TQ arm. TQ arm cars have more squat dialed into the factory suspension then the fox's , were as the mustang have more anti squat, and will hit the tires harder then the Tq arm car ever could from the factory.

The Tq arm car will squat and spin, where as the 4 link seperates and drives the tires hard into the ground. The fox has less squat and more seperation dialed in to the factory design then the 3rd and forth gens factory TQ arm design.

You have better control over the IC with the four link then you do with a tq arm. You can't get it any further forward, or back in the car then the front mounting point of the TQ arm. So you are limited in adjustment to a specific IC, much like a ladder bar car.

[91CoupeMike]

How much nitrous will it take for me to run low 8s in the 1/8th?

With decent suspension, 3.73s. Stock cam heads intake and headers. Lol

[91CoupeMike]

I run 9.0 with a 2.0 60ft on street tires at 80mph

I think I can squeeze a 8.7 or faster with sticky tires.

The motor is going to stay stock, I just want some juice.

I really want a 408 stroker with juice, thats what I'm working towards.

[JC316]

What year are the l98?

I beat a 87 vette.

I Also ran a few lt1s on the hwy a long time ago, and I pulled.

I'm down to run anyone, I'm not box stock tho.

Camaro L98 was 87-92. Corvette L98 was 85-91.

Sorry man, not buying what you are selling. 3.73's or not, you aren't going to beat an L98 Vette. Not unless he wasn't trying, or his car wasn't running right. An Lt1 is definitely not possible, I had the lightest possible GT with a 4V swap and 3.27 gears and I could barely beat an LT1 car.

The TPI's are touchy little shits, any little thing will KILL the power. I had the timing off by 4* and the TPS was bad. My fucking Saturn SL1 was faster. Once I got that shit fixed it got real quick.

[JETFAST]

How much nitrous will it take for me to run low 8s in the 1/8th?

None. Sounds like you need a driver mod. When I was young, dumb, and full of cum, much like yourself, I ran 8.6's in a stock 5.0 hatch with 2:73's and the air silencer removed. and I never even made it out of second gear.

[91CoupeMike]

Camaro L98 was 87-92. Corvette L98 was 85-91.

Sorry man, not buying what you are selling. 3.73's or not, you aren't going to beat an L98 Vette. Not unless he wasn't trying, or his car wasn't running right. An Lt1 is definitely not possible, I had the lightest possible GT with a 4V swap and 3.27 gears and I could barely beat an LT1 car.

The TPI's are touchy little shits, any little thing will KILL the power. I had the timing off by 4* and the TPS was bad. My fucking Saturn SL1 was faster. Once I got that shit fixed it got real quick.

There are people here that will vouch for the race.

He was trying, he waited for me to get off work. His car was running fine.

We ran from like a 30 and I had him by about a car by 80mph with him getting the punch.

I've ran 2 lt1s. I beat one by about a car and one by around 2.

I have always wanted to run another, but I don't see them often.

You don't have to believe me. But I don't have any reason to lie.

[91CoupeMike]

None. Sounds like you need a driver mod. When I was young, dumb, and full of cum, much like yourself, I ran 8.6's in a stock 5.0 hatch with 2:73's and the air silencer removed. and I never even made it out of second gear.

I ran a 9.0 with my 2.73s, still pussy footing out of the hole.

I plan on getting it to run as good as possible then introduce the juice.

It ran a 8.97 at 79mph on drag radials. I had no idea how to launch, it would just bog

[FoxBodyNick]

None. Sounds like you need a driver mod. When I was young, dumb, and full of cum, much like yourself, I ran 8.6's in a stock 5.0 hatch with 2:73's and the air silencer removed. and I never even made it out of second gear.

lol....

[351Coupe]

lmao@ a tpi 350 or 305 beating any 5 speed 5.0. It never happened around here! lol!

I used to beat that shit in a bolt on F150 5.0 2wd reg cab 5 speed without any problems. Great times. Camaro guys would be so pissed off gettin drug by a damn "farm truck"!

[ThreeFingerPete]

There are people here that will vouch for the race.

He was trying, he waited for me to get off work. His car was running fine.

We ran from like a 30 and I had him by about a car by 80mph with him getting the punch.

I've ran 2 lt1s. I beat one by about a car and one by around 2.

I have always wanted to run another, but I don't see them often.

You don't have to believe me. But I don't have any reason to lie.

You *think* his car was running fine but you have no idea. All that you know was that you raced it and won.

You're talking to people who have put more miles in at WOT than you have driven total.

[Dacotua]

There are people here that will vouch for the race.

He was trying, he waited for me to get off work. His car was running fine.

We ran from like a 30 and I had him by about a car by 80mph with him getting the punch.

I've ran 2 lt1s. I beat one by about a car and one by around 2.

I have always wanted to run another, but I don't see them often.

You don't have to believe me. But I don't have any reason to lie.

I don't doubt your race. The cars ARE over twenty years old. It now comes down to the condition of the cars. Perhaps the vettes motor is worn out.

Back in the 80's, when I had a relatively stock 88 Mustang LX 5.0, I won many races against Camaros, few races against vettes, lost races against vettes...

But the 1990 Camaro 1LE with a 305 and 5 speed was a match for the 5.0L Mustangs. The ONLY problem with the 1990 Camaro 1LE was the PRICE. That car was EXPENSIVE for the time. You could buy a NEW Fox Mustang (LX 5.0L) for approximately 14000 dollars, while the camaro was 18000 dollars (IF I recall correctly.) That 4k was enough to get many to buy the mustang. (Same Reason the SVO Mustang failed, you could buy a 5.0L Mustang for 4k cheaper.)

Now I will agree, I raced lots of IROC 5.7L camaros back in the day, and 90% of the time I would beat them. (Did a lot of Texas Motorplex test and tunes...) The problem with the Iroc 5.7's is that they couldn't launch as good as a mustang. You would get 1-2 lengths off the line on them, and thats all she wrote. There wasn't enough distance for them to make it up. Hence when people say the 305's were junk, they never raced a 1LE Camaro with one. They were on par with the 5.0L Mustang.

ALSO back in the day, I saw more LX 5.0 HATCH's beat more LX 5.0 Notchbacks. The Notchbacks were 58 pounds lighter than the Hatches and that weight was over the rear wheels. Back in the day, coupes were notorious tirespinners.

Also back in the 80's early 90's, modifying a 5.0L EFI mustang WAS FREAKING EXPENSIVE. I knew tons of people putting carbs on those cars. You only had a couple of choices of EFI intakes back then, GT-40 Intake, or a modified 5.8L Truck intake that didn't fit under the factory hood.

[91CoupeMike]

You *think* his car was running fine but you have no idea. All that you know was that you raced it and won.

You're talking to people who have put more miles in at WOT than you have driven total.

I fucking know the guy, we talked about it afterwards.

He was surprised. He used to be a member on here I think. His name is tad. He had a turbo 2.3 pinto if you remember.

He told me the vette ran strong and pulled hard.

Lol WTF people. Those vettes make 245hp and weigh over 3000lbs.

I make that if not more and weigh less. Why is it so "hard"

[Dacotua]

I fucking know the guy, we talked about it afterwards.

He was surprised. He used to be a member on here I think. His name is tad. He had a turbo 2.3 pinto if you remember.

He told me the vette ran strong and pulled hard.

Lol WTF people. Those vettes make 245hp and weigh over 3000lbs.

I make that if not more and weigh less. Why is it so "hard"

The Mustang had 210-225 horses and weighed 3400-3500 pounds FACTORY.

The Vette had 240-245 horses and weighed about 3200-3300 pounds.

If all things being equal (condition), the vette should pull you. It has a weight to power advantage.

Not saying much however, A 1988 Mustang 5.0L Would do a 1/4 mile in about 14.5 Seconds @ 94 mph? Factory, nothing changed.

Vette would do about a 14.2-14.0 1/4 mile at 97 mph FACTORY, nothing changed.

Now you may ask, why did I pick a 1988 Mustang? They were speed density and were quicker than the mass air cars in FACTORY trim. Now once you started modding, mass air had the advantage.

Now with both cars, if you advanced the timing, bypassed the power steering/ac, in a race, the vette was in the mid to high 13's. If you did the same to the Mustang, it was a low low 14 to high 13.

(I like mustangs, but just stating the facts of the cars back in the day. (I was racing those cars in the 80s).

NOT Saying you didn't beat the Vette, just saying, the majority of the 80s vs 80s vette vs mustang, the vette should win