Birddog0347 rescues a Fox

[bird_dog0347]

From 11/1/2016:

Ok, so update here... I decided I was tired of worrying about the temps so I got a SVE radiator, new 180 thermostat, ditched the UD pulleys and got stock steel pulleys. So far so good... doesn't get above 1/4 on the crappy ford temp gauge where it was getting 3/4 before.

Now... I think I have the cooling issue taken care of, but I think the tune CERTAINLY still needs work. Every single time I start the car... hot or cold, I've got to play with the gas pedal to keep it from dying until the WB sensor starts to actually read something. THEN it works fine, it's like it ignores the IAC (which I don't know how to test) and then once the WB controller (Innovate LC2) starts to read the actual O2 it idles fine. I'm not running closed loop BTW.

Edit: Crap, forgot to mention that at idle it's at 34 PSI on the BBK liquid filled FPG before my fuel rail... (can see RIGHT under upper radiator hose far left elbow) pretty sure that's supposed to be higher but not sure how to do that without an adjustable FPR or a new pump (I'm ok with doing both as a long term solution). Is that ok? or too low?

That said I feel like I've made some good progress and it's close to being driveable daily for my 38+ mile commute these days.

[bird_dog0347]

From 5/4/2016:

I got the MS2PNP installedish (passenger floorboard) for now to start it up. Fired up on the first try with a really high idle, got the trigger offset corrected so that with the spout in the timing shows 10 degrees like it should but I still idle around 1500 RPM.

So I started it up and it took 3.5 turns out on the idle screw to get it to idle around 800 RPM, then I calibrated the TPS, and now it idles like a champ and already runs 110% better then it ever did with the A9L. When I first opened the project in TS I selected narrow band O2 sensors, I'll change it when I add the WB hopefully tomorrow. It hasn't left it's perch on the ramps under the front tires but holy hell is it already better. WELL worth it.

5/5/2016:

Last night I put the WB sensor in the passenger side header (it fit the bung) and today I should get my A-Pillar gauge pod from LMR to put the AFR gauge in. I also set the idle polarity to normal as suggested. I now need to figure out where I'm going to run the wire through the firewall from the sensor to the controller then figure out how the hell to connect the controller to the MSPNP2. THEN I'll be able to change the settings to WB and start it back up. Yesterday however with the NB sensor once I got the TPS set and the idle set it was already running better than it ever did with the A9L and no exhaust smell. It was running way off with the A9L cause even with cats in my H pipe the smell was horrendous.

5/13/2016:

So I got everything all installed and setup thanks to everyone here and in the MS tuning thread for the help. It took a while to get the timing set right, as well as the WB configured and up and running. I worked for a few days on just getting all that setup and safe and got it running pretty well, and took it around the neighborhood a few times to make sure it wasn't gonna puke on me. Then last night was the normal thursday night GTG about 12-15 miles from my house so I decided to take it there and hang out. There were a total of 5 foxes including mine, and 4 were notch backs. I used the auto tune feature the whole way there and it seemed to run really well even in like 85 degree heat and lots of traffic.





On the way home, I tried to data log it but I kept loosing connection to the MSPNP on the laptop as I think I need better ground wiring on the engine. I knew before all these upgrades that when I would turn on my headlights at night it would make my temperature gauge jump up 1/4 from it's normal range, and turning off the headlights made it go back down to normal, on again and it's back up. I did some checking and the common theory is that I need a larger ground wire from the engine to the chassis since I upgraded to the 3G and have a 4GA wire coming off of that. I'm going to try that next and hopefully it solves the problem. That said, would it be better to replace the strap on the back of the intake with the larger wire, add the larger wire as an additional ground to the back of the head, or something else?

From 8/11/2016:
Ok, so this past weekend I took the notch to a Fox get together and it was about eleventy billion degrees outside that day (thermometer only read 102 though? strange...). It showed it was running much warmer than I'd normally like on the factory gauge but on my laptop I saw a max of 213 degrees on the way out there (hottest time) while I data logged but the gauge was over half way and has a 270 mark at the top. On the way home, I didn't data log cause I seem to have issues with the PC keeping it's connection to the MS unit when driving at night with my lights on... the lights being on also causes the temp gauge to immediately show about 1 notch higher and drops back down with the lights off.

I had thought this might be due to a bad ground from the engine to the car, but I replaced the stock ground strap with a 4ga ground wire with good connections and a good clean mount to the body. Soooo... it looks like I'll be chasing down a possible ground issue. ALSO, I've got my WB gauge ground wire going right to the battery and it seems that ground should be the exact same as what the MS ECU ground is... should I move the gauge ground to splice into the factory harness ground which is what the MS ECU uses or redo the ground from the ECU right to the negative battery? Just for extra info, I get no noise or static or anything like that in my stereo system to make me think there's any other obvious problems. Also I just looked and I've only put 2100 miles on the car since I got it over 4 years ago.

[bird_dog0347]

Hmmm, maybe yours is as bad or worse... lol

[Stephen]

[IMG]However it's been pretty low on the list as I'm treating it as a true build where paint/body comes last after all the real work is done. (over the next 48 years)

Reasonable goals!

Car is is gonna be sweet though!

[samuel642000]

My car needs paint and body in the worst way. It must have been painted by THE most retarded meth head in east Texas. However it's been pretty low on the list as I'm treating it as a true build where paint/body comes last after all the real work is done. (over the next 48 years)

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Idk about that brotha. But I agree the paint and body is pretty low on the list for now. Just ready to get it reliable and enjoy driving it.

[bird_dog0347]

I dread doing all this on the floor, I'm getting too old for it ha. But saving the money welding them up myself allows funds for more toys on the car. It def needs more than yours, especially in the paint department.

I guess I should start my own thread instead of taking over yours!

My car needs paint and body in the worst way. It must have been painted by THE most retarded meth head in east Texas. However it's been pretty low on the list as I'm treating it as a true build where paint/body comes last after all the real work is done. (over the next 48 years)

[samuel642000]

Funny you mention that, it's exactly what I'm trying to finish up (SFC install). I spent yesterday morning working on it and should be done this week now that I have more welding gas. That said, welding them on laying under the car really sucks and I should have just paid a shop to install them. I'll try go get some pics up this week if work calms down.

I dread doing all this on the floor, I'm getting too old for it ha. But saving the money welding them up myself allows funds for more toys on the car. It def needs more than yours, especially in the paint department.

I guess I should start my own thread instead of taking over yours!

[bird_dog0347]

Yep, I was leaning that way too, trying to get subframe connectors installed before the IRS or at least at the same time to make it easier.

I feel like I know your pain, I have had the car a bit and only driven it very few times. Ready to get it on the road.

Funny you mention that, it's exactly what I'm trying to finish up (SFC install). I spent yesterday morning working on it and should be done this week now that I have more welding gas. That said, welding them on laying under the car really sucks and I should have just paid a shop to install them. I'll try go get some pics up this week if work calms down.

[samuel642000]

I used the maximum Motorsport braided ones.

Yep, I was leaning that way too, trying to get subframe connectors installed before the IRS or at least at the same time to make it easier.

I feel like I know your pain, I have had the car a bit and only driven it very few times. Ready to get it on the road.

[bird_dog0347]

Thanks man, makes me want to coat the underside of my car. Now to find the soft lines to the calipers and ill be set.

I used the maximum Motorsport braided ones.

[samuel642000]

Here's a pic of what it should look like underneath (not my car).

Thanks man, makes me want to coat the underside of my car. Now to find the soft lines to the calipers and ill be set.

[bird_dog0347]

Here's a pic of what it should look like underneath (not my car).

[samuel642000]

Hey man, sorry, I had to renew my VIP membership so inbox is available again.

Are you asking about the brake line fittings? (NAPA part numbers)

WH 1442 - M10x1.0 to 3/8-24 adapters (to connect hard lines to soft lines - two needed)
WH 702X3 - Three way 3/8-24 Tee fitting
BK 8131204 - 20" pre-fabbed 3/16" hard line with 3/8-24 fittings
BK 8131205 - 30" pre-fabbed 3/16" hard line with 3/8-24 fittings

And yeah, I'll try to get some updates on the car posted today as I've done a lot since the last update.

Excellent! This is exactly what I was after, thank you very much.

I hope to see updates soon. I picked up a notch thanks to this thread.

[bird_dog0347]

Hey bird dog, your inbox is full, just a shot in the dark but do you still have those part numbers for the brake parts for the IRS swap? Trying to emulate your car to a certain extent and picked up an IRS today. Any help you could throw my way would be much appreciated.

P.S. its time for an update on the car.

Hey man, sorry, I had to renew my VIP membership so inbox is available again.

Are you asking about the brake line fittings? (NAPA part numbers)

WH 1442 - M10x1.0 to 3/8-24 adapters (to connect hard lines to soft lines - two needed)
WH 702X3 - Three way 3/8-24 Tee fitting
BK 8131204 - 20" pre-fabbed 3/16" hard line with 3/8-24 fittings
BK 8131205 - 30" pre-fabbed 3/16" hard line with 3/8-24 fittings

And yeah, I'll try to get some updates on the car posted today as I've done a lot since the last update.

[samuel642000]

Hey bird dog, your inbox is full, just a shot in the dark but do you still have those part numbers for the brake parts for the IRS swap? Trying to emulate your car to a certain extent and picked up an IRS today. Any help you could throw my way would be much appreciated.

P.S. its time for an update on the car.