hypocrites

[Sean88gt]

We're usually on the same page man, but I disagree. This has honestly been bothering me quite a bit the last few days. The morally superior attitude some people assign themselves on here is staggering. I'm often left reading a thread wondering what people would say if the subject had been someone they were close to. This would be a good time to reevaluate being so flippant.

I agree with you. I've got very strong opinions on the subject of suicide, and was even thinking if someone like dammitsteve pulled the trigger how harsh the reaction would be. I've remained largely silent out of respect to Luis, but my beliefs haven't changed.

[White_lightning]

I think Suicide is WRONG and an easy way out.. I think anyone who commit suicide is giving up and being a bitch.


That being said.. i will miss my friend who commited suicide.. Im not condoning what was done in any way.. nor am i saying because he did it its better than some one else.. I would celebrate his life and the loss of his pressensce in my life, not how he died..

[mustang1200]

Think of a cancer patient or someone suffering from some other terminal illness. They decide to forgo any further treatment, they have fought the good fight for long enough. They don't want their friends and family to remember them as a withering soul. They don't want their last memories to be of someone clinging to the last bit of life they have left, suffering, just a shell of their former self. They would rather their family's last memories be that of times they have shared together, the happy times, not the suffering. That is, in a way suicide.

This is a very good example of why someone in their right mind in certain circumstances should be allow to have access to the proper channels to end their life. In most of the cases I've read that resemble your example the family has full knowledge of the plans. It wasn't a last minute decision.

[CWO]

So why did you post 48 hours later

Not sure what you're asking. I posted in the thread that revealed he took his own life. I didn't clutter up that thread with this. A Google search of anything in this thread that leads to that is not my intention, nor am I saying anything that links back to that thread. I'll take it one step further and suggest that all references to anything regarding that subject/thread should be removed by the person posting it.

Is it too soon? Possibly, it's been on my mind since I read that initial thread, and by the looks of it, I'm not the only one.

[Jester]

Ultimately the patient choose to commit suicide. The act of suicide is selfish by nature. The patient had the choice to take the additional medication.

So the patient should have just listened to himself instead of the person that went to school for this and is the "expert" on the subject? Gimme a break. Until you have been there, you have ZERO idea what you are talking about. I used to think suicide was cowardly until i was there. You aren't mentally stable. You are not in your right mind. A rational person thinking clearly does not kill themselves.

[Tx Redneck]

I hold views on both sides of the coin since the subject has hit closer to home for me with my boss and friend taking his life.

I personally choose to honor the good memories, however, that doesn't change my stance that he was uber selfish for his choice.

/my comments on the matter

Saved and Texan by the Grace of God, Redneck by choice.

[black2002ls]

This is a very good example of why someone in their right mind in certain circumstances should be allow to have access to the proper channels to end their life. In most of the cases I've read that resemble your example the family has full knowledge of the plans. It wasn't a last minute decision.

Still, suicide, none the less. A decision to end ones own life

[mustang1200]

So the patient should have just listened to himself instead of the person that went to school for this and is the "expert" on the subject? Gimme a break. Until you have been there, you have ZERO idea what you are talking about. I used to think suicide was cowardly until i was there. You aren't mentally stable. You are not in your right mind. A rational person thinking clearly does not kill themselves.

Who are you to say I haven't been there or to say I haven't been on the receiving end of a family member ending their own life.

If you are telling yourself to kill yourself then you should seek help. Apparently you've been in that situation you had presence of mind enough to listen to the people around you and didn't kill yourself.

[bcoop]

Not sure what you're asking. I posted in the thread that revealed he took his own life. I didn't clutter up that thread with this. A Google search of anything in this thread that leads to that is not my intention, nor am I saying anything that links back to that thread.

Is it too soon? Possibly, it's been on my mind since I read that initial thread, and by the looks of it, I'm not the only one.

For the record, I don't disagree with what you're saying here. I think the timing is pretty damn bad, given that most of us are still trying to process it. This thread, in conjunction with your post in the other thread, just come across as low to me. Have your opinion, whatever. Let everyone else grieve, and keep the derogatory comments for another time, or another setting. In the other thread, I was crucified for saying "shame on you", to all those making jokes. Several said I was on a moral high horse, I was called a sympathizer, etc. I don't really give a fuck. I spoke up on something I believed in, and everyone can kiss my left nut as far as I'm concerned. No sweat off my back.

[talisman]

And for the record, Brent, I was on vacation while that was going on, but I went back and read it and pretty much agreed with every stance you took in it.

[Jester]

Apparently you've been in that situation you had presence of mind enough to listen to the people around you and didn't kill yourself.

Yeah, i went for help....they gave me more fucking meds. Yeah, that worked like a champ! Just enough to finally push me over the edge. Fortunately i fucking suck at it!
This is why i shake my head when someone blurts out "suicide is selfish derpderpderp." You have NO idea what is going on in the person's head at the time and throw in drugs, meds, or alcohol and you have someone that actually thinks death is a good idea.
And the funniest thing is when someone says "that is cowardly." LMAO....yeah fuckin right! even in the complete and total fucked up state i was in with that bullshit medication it took everything in me to attempt to end my life. there are definitely easier ways to end your life than others, but when your brain understands that it is about to no longer exist, it kicks into fucking survival mode big time. Like i said, you are not in your right mind if you do this.

[Baron Von Crowder]

Not that every case is the same, but many times a person comitting suicide has come to the conclusion that buy taking their own life, everyone around them will be better off. The thought process runs that they are dragging everyone down, and with life insurance and debts and such somehow all these problems will go away from everyone around them. In their mind, they are doing a service to their familiy and friends. Again, this isnt the same for everyone, but it is quite common. Generally these people are depressed, facing hard times, etc.

Sure it is a selfish act, but they arent thinking rationally. Human nature dictates self preservation as a primal instinct, and pushing past that takes a lot.

[Jester]

Not that every case is the same, but many times a person comitting suicide has come to the conclusion that buy taking their own life, everyone around them will be better off. The thought process runs that they are dragging everyone down, and with life insurance and debts and such somehow all these problems will go away from everyone around them. In their mind, they are doing a service to their familiy and friends. .

exactly. you know they will never understand but you feel like if you were not around, everyone else's lives would start to improve. You feel like you are a cancer.

[Baron Von Crowder]

exactly. you know they will never understand but you feel like if you were not around, everyone else's lives would start to improve. You feel like you are a cancer.

Most people dont get to that point, and wont think that way. Its not easy to look at a process of thought that is unrational and backwards and try to understand it as a rational person.

[Silverback]

Not that every case is the same, but many times a person comitting suicide has come to the conclusion that buy taking their own life, everyone around them will be better off. The thought process runs that they are dragging everyone down, and with life insurance and debts and such somehow all these problems will go away from everyone around them. In their mind, they are doing a service to their familiy and friends. Again, this isnt the same for everyone, but it is quite common. Generally these people are depressed, facing hard times, etc.

Sure it is a selfish act, but they arent thinking rationally. Human nature dictates self preservation as a primal instinct, and pushing past that takes a lot.

I thought long and hard about this, and you've basically summed it up.

Also one selfish act should not take away from the process of memorializing the person who has been lost