Another shooting. NY

[Nash B.]

Corrected stupid ass journalist.

Eh, how do you know it was at most 8 rounds? Plenty of guns can hold about twice that. Also, they used "clip" when paraphrasing the cops, but "magazine" when they weren't.

[Buick355]

This site has video of the cops gunning him down:

http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/person-killed-shooting-empire-state-building-morning-rush-article-1.1143522

[Ted]

I blame the company who fired the Guy. Everyone knows the Bobs method of firing on Fridays is much safer.

[ceyko]

http://www.guardian.co.uk/news/datablog/interactive/2011/sep/27/gun-crime-map-statistics

Anyone ever see that? Apparently 517 "murders" in 2010 from guns in NY (Per 100k, 2.64).

Gun friendly state PA = 457 (Per 100K, 3.62)
Gun friendly state TX = 581 (Per 100K, 3.19)
Gun friendly state FL = No stats
Gun friendly state AZ = 232 (Per 100K, 3.47)

On the surface, it could be argued that gun control has a minor effect. Looking around 20% or so. However, I'm still not buying into it at all for all the proper reasons. However, I never knew that map existed. Granted it is data provided by the gov and we have to put trust in a UK site (which could very well skew the data). Still, even as it stands it sure seems clear to me the risk vs reward for gun control is not there.

I'm not even talking about constitutional issues and the 1001 points of contention.

[no4njnk]

I think if you are a cop and are that reckless you should be fired and charged. There is not excuse to miss someone that close with 17 rounds. Of course the media is still going to blame the citizens with guns on this one like they did at the beginning.

[Binky]

Now reporting that all 9 bystanders were shot by the police:

http://www.cnn.com/2012/08/25/justice/new-york-empire-state-shooting/index.html?hpt=hp_t1

Three victims suffered gunshot wounds, while the remaining six were hit by fragments.

[YALE]

Now reporting that all 9 bystanders were shot by the police:

http://www.cnn.com/2012/08/25/justic...html?hpt=hp_t1

Bahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha!!!!!!

[Sleeper]

I laughed when i saw that as well on yahoo.

[Binky]

[Forever_frost]

You know what would reduce the gunshot related deaths and injuries? Taking guns from cops. Or making them qualify every two months with their service weapon. Either way. 9 people wounded by cops. Hell, they have more of a count than the shooter.

[stevo]

This was Jeffrey Johnson's facebook picture:

Now reporting that all 9 bystanders were shot by the police:

http://www.cnn.com/2012/08/25/justic...html?hpt=hp_t1

Yeah, not so funny, Matt.

Stevo

[grove rat]

...making them qualify every two months with their service weapon...

i agree 100%

[Forever_frost]

Seriously, how hard is it to say "If you're going to carry that weapon and be responsible for defending yourself and the public with it, you have to score a 90% at the range with it or you can't carry it."

[03trubluGT]

You know what would reduce the gunshot related deaths and injuries? Taking guns from cops. Or making them qualify every two months with their service weapon. Either way. 9 people wounded by cops. Hell, they have more of a count than the shooter.

Only 3 were injured by direct gunfire, by the looks of it. The other 6 were injured by "fragments". I guess in the Army they teach you how to determine the manner your rounds will strike, and if there will be any shrapnel, and where that shrapnel will end up

Let's take a look at the most important numbers. Fatalaties:

Jeffery Johnson - 1
NYPD - ZERO!

I think if you are a cop and are that reckless you should be fired and charged. There is not excuse to miss someone that close with 17 rounds. Of course the media is still going to blame the citizens with guns on this one like they did at the beginning.

Reckless?
Let us see you engage a single soft target at 15 yards or less with a backdrop of a very populated street. Oh yea, and let that target have a gun and start engaging you at the same time.

I guess you're thinking this is straight out of a highly scripted movie where no one misses?

Yeah, not so funny, Matt.

Stevo

Oh noes! I tried to make a funny and Stevo called me on it!
What ever am I going to do?????

Get off your high horse, or start calling EVERYONE on it. Nice way to single me out there buddy.

[kingjason]

Reckless?
Let us see you engage a single soft target at 15 yards or less with a backdrop of a very populated street. Oh yea, and let that target have a gun and start engaging you at the same time.

I guess you're thinking this is straight out of a highly scripted movie where no one misses?

Yeah I am going to agree with Matt on this one. I am sure he was standing still also? I have not read the article orrrrrr seen the video but I can only imagine.

We do run and gun drills and active shooter stuff all the time and it will for sure screw with your accuracy a tad bit. The real deal is even that much more adrenaline involved. I wish we could do active shooter training twice a year and maybee that would take the edge off of it some for the new guys if they so happen to end up in a gun fight but who knows. Standing there shooting at a target is great and all but when the target starts shooting back your body does strange things.