Drug runners use submarine to delv drugs

[347Mike]

What makes you think drug use by young people will increase when historically that has been disproven?

No one is in here really pushing the benefits of drugs being legal. It's more about reversing the negatives that come with having them illegal, like wasting billions on the war on drugs, prisons overcrowded non-violent drug offenders, the issues we're having with cartels, etc.

See my new post quoted to Eric.

[BERNIE MOSFET]

So we should just admit defeat and allow the world to run rampant with drug use?

Yes.

Behavioral legislation always fails, and it's time to accept that the world is, and always has run rampant with substances that alter us. People like getting drunk/high.

Drug prohibition is tantamount to gun control. There are PLENTY of existing laws that make it illegal to do things that affect others. Getting high, at home, by yourself is like enjoying the smell of Hoppes No. 9 while cleaning your firearm, at home, by yourself. And it is truly, fundamentally no different than getting drunk at home, by yourself.

The difference is that because drugs are illegal, there are all kinds of horrible things going on to human beings around the world to keep the money flowing.

All the fuckups you see on duty were probably going to head down that path anyway - that was their choice, and not one that could have been prevented by any amount of illegal drug control.

[Darren M]

Personally, I'd like to see more "home made" sub/semi sub marines and try to get back on topic.

(Moderator split thread time?!?!)

So....

[talisman]

I don't. It would make them more accessible and easier to obtain at a much younger age. The number of people who try them for the first time will most likely double or triple, thus leaving the amount of people "stuck" on them will rise as well. I see what you are saying 100% but what are the benefits to legalizing it besides taxes?

I don't know... Letting people make their own choice on how they live their lives? Of course there would need to be broader sidebars to this theory, such as less social coddling with the welfare system, etc. It all comes down to personal responsibility and natural selection as far as I'm concerned.

[GSXRK5]

They've been doing this for a while. They just keep getting better and better. Also heard that they are hiring Russians to build them. Also found that the people who are actually in the sub only make about 10-20k if they're not killed by the time they deliver. Wouldn't surprise me if terrorist have made it here that way.

[jluv]

I pretty much agree 100%. The idea of legalizing all drugs is ludicrous and will never happen. Also, as far as the money spent on the war on drugs, I wonder what the balance is on what we've spent Vs. the amount of money we've seized? Obviously not equivalent, but I'm curious. I also wonder where we'd be if we just allowed things to run rampant without doing anything about it.

It would be interesting to see those numbers. It might open your eyes. I bet the money seized is less than 1% of the money spent. Way less.

To get an idea of where we'd be, take a look at Holland, or better yet, Portugal. Again, you may be surprised.

No one is saying it's going to be the most wonderful thing in the world for everyone, and that we would all be rich and carefree and live in Candy Land. I just believe that it would be a lot better than the way things are right now with our current drug policies. The lesser of two evils, that's all.

[SlowLX]

I don't. It would make them more accessible and easier to obtain at a much younger age. The number of people who try them for the first time will most likely double or triple, thus leaving the amount of people "stuck" on them will rise as well. I see what you are saying 100% but what are the benefits to legalizing it besides taxes?

Early drug use has less to do with availability and more to do with risk factors associated with the majority of people using. Perception of prevalence, perception of social acceptance, friends who use, antisocial behavior that predates drug use, lack of parenting, extracurricular activities.

[jluv]

See my new post quoted to Eric.

Your post not only didn't answer my question, but recklessly ignored it.

[347Mike]

I don't know... Letting people make their own choice on how they live their lives? Of course there would need to be broader sidebars to this theory, such as less social coddling with the welfare system, etc. It all comes down to personal responsibility as far as I'm concerned.

Here is a perfect example. I am going to go out on the limb here and say the vast majority of the people on welfare and anxious baby makers are on some sort of drug. If I am hearing this right you want to tax these people even more when they can't pay their share to begin with? Sounds real lucrative. How many people (minus weed) do you know that make a comfortable 50-60k a year and are on drugs?

Would you hire someone who has a history and current state of drug abuse? Again, all of this is just packing more shit into the people who can't handle it and don't want to improve anything.

[347Mike]

Your post not only didn't answer my question, but recklessly ignored it.

How so? You asked how would drug abuse by younger people increase when it has historically been disproven?

If you change the circumstances and make it legal then it doesn't really apply to when things were illegal.. I am saying if it was made legal, it would most likely rise due to the "fear factor" being removed. Then, once it is removed more people would be inclined to try them thus resulting in more people stuck on them.

[talisman]

Here is a perfect example. I am going to go out on the limb here and say the vast majority of the people on welfare and anxious baby makers are on some sort of drug. If I am hearing this right you want to tax these people even more when they can't pay their share to begin with? Sounds real lucrative. How many people (minus weed) do you know that make a comfortable 50-60k a year and are on drugs?

Would you hire someone who has a history and current state of drug abuse? Again, all of this is just packing more shit into the people who can't handle it and don't want to improve anything.

Did you miss the entire part about reducing welfare and letting natural selection "weed" the population out? Most successful professionals don't advertise drug use if they partake. That is how they continue to be successful. You might be surprised at some of the people you probably know and what they do behind closed doors. That extends from drugs, to sexual fetishes, obsessive compulsive behavior, and a large host of other things. I went over to Canada and found an old post I made on the same subject:

Guys, let me let you in on a little secret about human nature:


Losers will always be losers, whether they have legal access to drugs or not.

People who can't manage their own lives, still won't be able to manage them whether or not they are doing drugs.

Dregs of society will be dregs of society, regardless of if they are high or not.

ANYthing not taken in moderation is bad for you, from fat, to alcohol, television, masturbation, posting on dfwMUstangs, praying, working, vacationing, spending money, saving money, etc.

People need to worry a lot more about what is going on in their own households and less about peeking over their neighbors fence.

Still sums it up perfectly.

[347Mike]

Did you miss the entire part about reducing welfare and letting natural selection "weed" the population out? Most successful professionals don't advertise drug use if they partake. That is how they continue to be successful. You might be surprised at some of the people you probably know and what they do behind closed doors. That extends from drugs, to sexual fetishes, obsessive compulsive behavior, and a large host of other things. I went over to Canada and found an old post I made on the same subject:

Guys, let me let you in on a little secret about human nature:


Losers will always be losers, whether they have legal access to drugs or not.

People who can't manage their own lives, still won't be able to manage them whether or not they are doing drugs.

Dregs of society will be dregs of society, regardless of if they are high or not.

ANYthing not taken in moderation is bad for you, from fat, to alcohol, television, masturbation, posting on dfwMUstangs, praying, working, vacationing, spending money, saving money, etc.

People need to worry a lot more about what is going on in their own households and less about peeking over their neighbors fence.

Still sums it up perfectly.

Yeah, I get what you are saying 100% but what you are asking for is not realistic. I simply don't see how reducing (not that I want to pay it...) and incorporating drugs is going to weed anything out. It will only add fuel to the existing fire. I don't want my hard earned money going to this shit anymore than you do, but unfortanately, everything you are saying, reduce welfare and legalize drugs will most likely never happen. Realistically.... I sure as hell don't see how legalizing and taxing it will help anyone either. Again, most of the people stuck on these drugs aren't paying their share as it is...

[Taylor]

So we should just admit defeat and allow the world to run rampant with drug use?

To quote the late and great Bill Hicks, "I loved when Bush came out and said, "We are losing the war against drugs." You know what that implies? There's a war being fought, and the people on drugs are winning it. "

In my experience, stupid people are stupid, whether on or off of drugs. The 'war on drugs' is nothing but a fucking scam and drain on our economy. No matter how hard government tries, it will never remove drugs from society. So why not focus on things that will actually make a difference.

[Vertnut]

Either legalize the shit and tax the piss out of it, or make the penalties so stiff that that you will eradicate the entire problem (death penalty).

[Taylor]

Ya...why bother having anything illegal? People are gonna do it anyway, right? Heck, lets un-ban murder, stealing, too. It's a waste of time...people are gonna do it despite what the law says. [/sarcasm]

Aw shit, there's a murder ban in effect?