Question....

[Damnittsteve]

is it for cars with good paint or a resto formula that lasts. if the latter id pay around 500 for it

[Ruffdaddy]

I think you're underestimating the importance of an accelerated cure station. Guess who wins if a competitor offers it...

Additionally, I'm still curious as to how long this product has been on the market, and what environment it's rated for. Anything can claim protection for a few years if it's rarely subject to inclement weather.

[Nick Chapman]

EVERYTHING is snake oil to me until I see it with my own eyes! I don't believe anything other detailers say for a second, but they are a good source for new products to try out. Detailing products are like cars, in the sense that what works for one person, might completely fail horribly for me. So until I try and witness something for myself, nothing is "for sure". This is why I'm going to apply this to my truck first, before I ever put it on another persons vehicle, much less a paying customer. That's not just true with this product, but all products I buy. I test them out on my own stuff first, then if it passes for my personal tastes, I'll put it up for sale with my services.

Pricing is still up in the air at this point. The main reason is the prep time involved with this product, and the cure time. If I can prep the vehicle relatively simply, then obviously costs will be less. But if it takes a good deal of work to prep the surface, costs will be higher. I have never used this product before, but it is ordered, and I should have it by the end of the week(hopefully). Once I'm able to put it to some tests, I'll make a decision to sell it as a service or not. I was only posting to see if there would even be an interest for a product like this with you guys. Obviously I can't pick up the phone and call all my customers, so posting a thread like this is an easy way to get some honest feedback. And the cure time seem to be the deal breaker for most. But as I said before, a manufacture will advertise "worst case scenarios" when labeling instructions. They have to protect themselves from the guy that's applying their product in the dead of winter, so the cure time advertised is most likely for that scenario. I believe summer cure times would be much less than advertised. Dust on the surface will not effect curing, only water. But I have MANY things to investigate with this product.

My plan it to fully buff my tailgate. Once it's completely defect free, I will apply this new product to one side, and another high end sealant to the other. Being that this truck has super soft paint, it won't take long to see if it truly does resist scratches or not. And in my eyes, that would be the only reason for me to carry this product. If it doesn't resist scratches, then it won't be back.


And ceyko, there are many other sealants that last as long, and longer than Zaino. In fact, most of the sealants I already carry, are some of those products. But this isn't a Zaino bashing post. I have absolutely no disrespect for anyone's choice in products for their cars. In fact, I applaud them for their loyalty to Zaino! They do have a huge following. It's just not the "choice" product for me and my business. There are several Zaino detailers out there, and if that's your cup of tea, then they will be happy to offer you their services. I would be more than happy to let you know why I prefer not to use Zaino, but not on an open forum like this. I have no desire to disrespect anyone over detailing products. It's just not something I get mad about, but other people seem to really get offended when you don't approve of their product.


Hope that clears up some of the confusion.

Nick

[Nick Chapman]

I think you're underestimating the importance of an accelerated cure station. Guess who wins if a competitor offers it...

No disrespect, but I'm not in the business to be a high production shop. I prefer to be exactly who I am. Taking my time with jobs, and doing the absolute best job I can. Sometimes I don't meet the expectations of the customer, But 99% of the time I do. This business isn't something that pays my bills. It's a passion for me. I already have a full time job that pays my mortgage and other bills, I do this business in my spare time, and enjoy what I do very much! So investing that much money on a system to accelerate the cure times just isn't a wise investment for me. I'm a mobile detailer, and work out of my home. I do not have a shop, although I have had one in the past. It's my choice to just be a home based business, and I love it. And elaborate IR set up like that costs a lot of money, and would be impossible to do effectively with a mobile business.

[Ruffdaddy]

No disrespect, but I'm not in the business to be a high production shop. I prefer to be exactly who I am. Taking my time with jobs, and doing the absolute best job I can. Sometimes I don't meet the expectations of the customer, But 99% of the time I do. This business isn't something that pays my bills. It's a passion for me. I already have a full time job that pays my mortgage and other bills, I do this business in my spare time, and enjoy what I do very much! So investing that much money on a system to accelerate the cure times just isn't a wise investment for me. I'm a mobile detailer, and work out of my home. I do not have a shop, although I have had one in the past. It's my choice to just be a home based business, and I love it. And elaborate IR set up like that costs a lot of money, and would be impossible to do effectively with a mobile business.

None taken...I totally misread your business goals. Had you mentioned it was more of a hobby that would have changed the ballgame.

[Nick Chapman]

None taken...I totally misread your business goals. Had you mentioned it was more of a hobby that would have changed the ballgame.

Bit more than a hobby, but I get what you're saying. I just prefer to have a more personal experience with my customers, and not set out to be a high volume detail shop. I actually really enjoy where my business is right now.

[clevelandkid]

Nick - maybe you can find a shop with the IR setup that will just take care of the curing portion for a fair rate, then you can option it to those of use who can't be without car for 2 weeks...

[ceyko]

And ceyko, there are many other sealants that last as long

Nick

Yeah, fair enough. I was just saying a short cure version - since you already have that version - seems that would fit the bill most of the time from the posts I see.

If I had my Mustang still, your possible new product would be of interest for sure. Since it was a garage queen.

[Nick Chapman]

Yeah, fair enough. I was just saying a short cure version - since you already have that version - seems that would fit the bill most of the time from the posts I see.

If I had my Mustang still, your possible new product would be of interest for sure. Since it was a garage queen.

Well this is just an idea. I know some people just don't like doing any type of regular exterior maintenance on their vehicles, and with a system like this, they will be much more likely to do an every two year thing vs shorter time frames, if the price can be reasonable. And the huge plus would be the scratch resistance! IMO, if it fails at preventing scratches, then I don't really see a huge benefit for it. The cure time is as much of an deal breaker for me as it is for most of you. So the scratch resistance is the key to this products success with me.

I still don't know the conditions in which their tests were performed, but Texas is absolutely brutal on waxes and sealants in the summer time, so I have to problems using my truck as a guinea pig and see what it'll do. As I said before, I'm going to do half the tailgate with this product, and the other half with one of my top sealants. Then see what the outcome is. Reason I'm choosing my tailgate is because I can remove it and leave it in the garage at home if there's a chance for rain. And that's the only part of the truck I can do that with.

[slow55]

So how long before you have all this completed and ready to start on others cars?
You can use mine for a test vehicle if the discount is right.

[Baron Von Crowder]

Jesus peopke, it needs to go for up to two weeks without getting wet.


We go for weeks without rain in the dead of summer, when it is 100+ out. I bet it woukd cure in a few days in that kinda heat.

[GhostTX]

Sounds good...but 2 week cure is the killer. What happens if it rains or is really foggy in that time. Daily driver would be ideal for this product but its a catch 22... daily drivers are outside in the weather.

X2

I'd be curious to know how scratch resistant. My big issue seems to be rocks/pebbles on the road catching on the panels.

[Nick Chapman]

X2

I'd be curious to know how scratch resistant. My big issue seems to be rocks/pebbles on the road catching on the panels.

I seriously doubt it would offer much protection from a rock flying through the air, but it's possible I guess. Can we use your vehicle as a test subject? Apply the product, then after it cures we can have a DFWMustangs GTG where everyone gets to throw rocks at your car and see how well it holds up! Deal? Sounds good to me!! LOL!

[Ruffdaddy]

Jesus peopke, it needs to go for up to two weeks without getting wet.


We go for weeks without rain in the dead of summer, when it is 100+ out. I bet it woukd cure in a few days in that kinda heat.

Just takes one sprinkler or puddle to screw it up.

Additionally what constitutes wet? As with many cure schedules, I'm sure relative humidity plays a role in this as well.

[GhostTX]

I seriously doubt it would offer much protection from a rock flying through the air, but it's possible I guess. Can we use your vehicle as a test subject? Apply the product, then after it cures we can have a DFWMustangs GTG where everyone gets to throw rocks at your car and see how well it holds up! Deal? Sounds good to me!! LOL!

That's fine, so long as I don't pay for you applying it. I'll be sure to come back two weeks later after it cured for the "test".