Quitting?

[Strychnine]

See this is where you miss a big concept. You either have personal liberty, bodily autonomy, and freedom or you do not. I don’t really care if it’s a “vaccine” or a lobotomy. Personal rights and freedoms are far more important than corporate rights or the whims of wannabe dictators.

You're right, personal rights are a key issue, but for the purposes of this discussion being able to stay on topic and not latching onto one of many logical fallacies is key. This thread is about Covid vaccines - to somehow pivot to a nonexistent mandated male birth control is a non sequitur. Sure, in your head there may be some hypothetical path to that end, but that's not the topic and this isn't the place. If someone on "the other side" came in here and introduced that idea, sure, argue against it, but when some batshit idea comes from within the echo chamber (strawman argument) you need to ignore it and move on.

This is exactly why it's so hard for both sides to discuss these topics.

[The King]

You have the personal liberty, bodily autonomy, and freedom to terminate your employment if you disagree with the policies of your employer. Last I checked employment at any given employer is not a “right” bestowed on employees.

[AnthonyS]

You’re losing your way here, no surprise. This thread and my recent response was concerned only with employer mandates regarding COVID vaccination as one of their policies for all employees. Not this sort of off-the-wall birth control BS, comical though it is. Shouldn’t be long before OSHA vaccination regulations are issued.

See this is where you miss a big concept. You either have personal liberty, bodily autonomy, and freedom or you do not. I don’t really care if it’s a “vaccine” or a lobotomy. Personal rights and freedoms are far more important than corporate rights or the whims of wannabe dictators.

Like I’ve always said the root of all problems in our country is education. If the average person could read and comprehend The Constitution, Supreme Court case history or laws, this all disappears in seconds. Stupid people are willing to accept anything social media or the TV tells them even outright lies.

[The King]

I can see the shitstorm If an employer required everyone to be on birth control regardless of their assigned at birth gender. Making a assigned at Birth male take birth control pills is about as useful as the covid vaccines and just as nonsensical.

You’re losing your way here, no surprise. This thread and my recent response was concerned only with employer mandates regarding COVID vaccination as one of their policies for all employees. Not this sort of off-the-wall birth control BS, comical though it is. Shouldn’t be long before OSHA vaccination regulations are issued.

[Strychnine]

Nah, more like- "if you get the vax we will give you thousands of dollars."

Currently, I'm happy where I am (I make enough money to be comfortable, no company mandates, nothing looming, etc) and my wife owns her own business and isn't going to fire herself... at the moment I'd say no amount. Obviously the more commas put on the number the more the conversation changes, but to stay practical my answer right now would be "no factor."

[svauto-erotic855]

Define “medical procedure”.



That would likely be considered sex discrimination, and would not be allowed under existing federal labor laws, i.e. the Civil Rights Act.

I can see the shitstorm If an employer required everyone to be on birth control regardless of their assigned at birth gender. Making a assigned at Birth male take birth control pills is about as useful as the covid vaccines and just as nonsensical.

[HarrisonTX]

Positive incentive to get it, or just avoiding increased insurance rates to not get it (e.g. Delta Airlines $200/month charge) ?

Nah, more like- "if you get the vax we will give you thousands of dollars."

[The King]

So an employer can demand you get any medical procedure as a condition of employment?

Define “medical procedure”.

^^^ I can just see the shit storm if an employer mandates that all female employees must be on birth control.

That would likely be considered sex discrimination, and would not be allowed under existing federal labor laws, i.e. the Civil Rights Act.

[svauto-erotic855]

^^^ I can just see the shit storm if an employer mandates that all female employees must be on birth control.

[AnthonyS]

So an employer can demand you get any medical procedure as a condition of employment?

[The King]

I had an COVID antibody test along with a PCR test last February about three weeks after receiving the first of two Moderna vaccine does and both were negative. Have never had symptoms or a positive PCR test result throughout 2020 or 2021.

As far as employer mandates regarding employees being vaccinated, the employee should of course have the right of refusal but the employer should also have the right to make it one of their formal policies enforceable by termination if need be.

[Murph Tang]

It should be a choice.

side note: I was working in a 18 wheeler trailer with four other people in Sept. I am vaxxed and the others were not. They all were popped with Covid the next day and felt ill. One of them died in ICU after a month of struggling. I had no effects nor felt ill.

[svauto-erotic855]

A lot of friends and family members bitched about having to get a third vaccine booster. I know if our government ever mentions a fourth vaccine booster as a requirement then shit's going to hit the fan! A lot of people are going to buck up over that

That I can think of I've been reading about RNA vaccines for the past 35 years; it's kind of like fusion power. The reason we have not had any RNA vaccines until recently is because none of them have ever made it out of clinical trial before. The one that's being pushed now wouldn't have made it out of clinical trial either if it hadn't become a political issue. The booster shot is not even a booster shot; it's just another dose of the same vaccine and because the vaccines have a very short amount of time that they're beneficial if you want what the vaccine claims to do you have to keep getting the shot over and over.

What research??? Any real research you would know one, all of the current variants emerged long before the vaccine. And two, how a variant comes to be. Any wide spread communicable disease will mutate as it runs it's course. Enough mutations are what creates new variants, not a vaccine.

In the past vaccines have always been dead or weakened viruses. What they're pushing now is not either of those things. It is simply a hack of RNA that is in the nucleus of the cells that compose your body. They are attempting to insert code into the RNA that will force it to produce antibodies. I tend to believe that the people in medicine aren't as smart as they think they are and do not have a broad enough view to understand that there will be unforeseen consequences. It's like giving an autistic child with a 180 IQ complete control of the United States nuclear arsenal.

[94mstng94]

My point is, I feel the clot shot allows the virus to mutate and continue to spread, rather than allowing a human’s immune defense to combat the issue by creating immunity on it’s own.


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[Chopped54]

I agree. I’ll continue to believe my gut instincts through my own research on this one. The more often the public does their own digging, and stops relying on “experts”, the better off we will be.


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What research??? Any real research you would know one, all of the current variants emerged long before the vaccine. And two, how a variant comes to be. Any wide spread communicable disease will mutate as it runs it's course. Enough mutations are what creates new variants, not a vaccine.