Anyone bought or drove a Mach E?

[CyaNide]

My brother in-law told me then other day at the gas station a hybrid plugged in and a quite large DIESEL generator came on to help charge the car. LOL

CN

[Strychnine]

My brother in-law told me then other day at the gas station a hybrid plugged in and a quite large DIESEL generator came on to help charge the car. LOL

CN

[Trip McNeely]

That’s such a wonderful illustration of what the “eco” electrification is truly about. Lol

[scootro]

wtf!!! hahaha

[Strychnine]

That’s such a wonderful illustration of what the “eco” electrification is truly about. Lol

To be faaaaair that's a pic from Australia's Nullarbor Plain (along the southern coast in BFE) and this is on a ~700 mile road where there's no charging infrastructure.

This is my 'inside baseball' persona talking here - barring a nearly-impossible shift in political winds, if you're not driving an EV to the grocery store in 15-20 years you will be an outlier. I'll say right now that you'll look at a pure ICE car then (not talking hybrids, etc) how we view fox bodies, muscle cars, etc. now. I was recently part of a "mobility summit" hosted by Ricardo (a global engine testing lab, R&D group, etc). Key note speakers included Ford's CTO, Toyota VP of Advanced Mobility, and... a VP from Microsoft. That should tell you something.

I'm not arguing for them, just saying that it's going to happen to light duty / passenger car applications.



EDIT:
it also sucks that due to aero concerns, crash safety, etc cars all seem to be iterating down to the same shapes. I took this pic of a Mach E not too long ago and it's definitely in that Tesla Model X territory.

[Trip McNeely]

To be faaaaair that's a pic from Australia's Nullarbor Plain (along the southern coast in BFE) and this is on a ~700 mile road where there's no charging infrastructure.

This is my 'inside baseball' persona talking here - barring a nearly-impossible shift in political winds, if you're not driving an EV to the grocery store in 15-20 years you will be an outlier. I'll say right now that you'll look at a pure ICE car then (not talking hybrids, etc) how we view fox bodies, muscle cars, etc. now. I was recently part of a "mobility summit" hosted by Ricardo (a global engine testing lab, R&D group, etc). Key note speakers included Ford's CTO, Toyota VP of Advanced Mobility, and... a VP from Microsoft. That should tell you something.

I'm not arguing for them, just saying that it's going to happen to light duty / passenger car applications.



EDIT:
it also sucks that due to aero concerns, crash safety, etc cars all seem to be iterating down to the same shapes. I took this pic of a Mach E not too long ago and it's definitely in that Tesla Model X territory.

I don't see it happening that fast. Critical Infrastructure has to take the reigns. What happens to the critical infrastructure? I know you said passenger vehicles, but that's a small portion of ICE or fossil fuel generated vehicles. You think planes, trains, boats, and 18 wheelers will be fully electric in 15-20 years? They couldn't even get onboard with CNG and that was the plan, at least with ground transportation for the future. That fizzled out fast and its as plentiful as any fuel. Range with the ability to store was the issue and i see a similarity with batteries/EV. IMO I still see electrification as a luxury and/or fad. Something that is available, but the majority won't buy into it. Now whether or not it's forced upon us by the govmt, that remains to be seen and the only way it takes a stronghold IMO. Hell even with all of the subsidies the govmt gives solar and wind it still doesn't match fossil fuel power generation and its waaaay away from being economically viable on its own.

[Trip McNeely]

And btw, I am an advocate for splitting and sourcing multiple sources of power generation, but this religion of completely banning fossil fuels is completely ridiculous and will only hurt this country and others in many ways.

[juiceweezl]

You guys aren't thinking correctly. The power will be in the road. We're going to basically be driving slot cars in 20 years...

[Strychnine]

I know you said passenger vehicles, but that's a small portion of ICE or fossil fuel generated vehicles. You think planes, trains, boats, and 18 wheelers will be fully electric in 15-20 years?

No, the majority of those will stay hydrocarbon fueled for quite a while. Outside of the big PR-hungry companies (UPS, Pepsi / Frito Lay, etc) I don't think you'll see too much electric HD stuff (and even then they're mostly doing for research right now, not as a "solution"), and alt-fuel aviation is in its infancy - if its not an alt-hydrocarbon its not going to have a chance for a long time. That's why I specified light duty passenger stuff - it will be the first to go. The others will be 2040+, but by then you'll see more new EV sales than ICE sales (so maybe % on road will lag a bit due to service life).

IMO I still see electrification as a luxury and/or fad. Something that is available, but the majority won't buy into it. Now whether or not it's forced upon us by the govmt, that remains to be seen and the only way it takes a stronghold IMO.

Legislation is going that way already though. For example, we all abide by EPA rules, but CARB (California Air Resources Board) was established before EPA so they're grandfathered and can make more stringent regulations than the other 49 states, and then within CA you have different AQMDs (Air Quality Management Districts) than can again make their own rules. Bay Area AMQD, South Coast AQMD, San Joaquin Valley AQMD, etc - they all get a vote in this, so you see where this is going... Get an AQMD to regulate something, then the state goes that way, then CA political pressure goes to Washington... this is why Trump was pushing against CA automotive emission laws during his term. You end up with LA and SF pushing national-scale emissions regs. This is no small thing - I've been on both email and calls this month with EPA specialists looking to build test plans to validate / test things that CARB are trying to push forward.


Anyway, there are ways to reduce carbon footprint with ICE right now, but not on a scale that can shift US, or global consumption (at the moment). Conversely, EV legislation, when looking at impact (carbon, environmental, etc) doesn't factor in battery production (including mineral sourcing), so if that changes then everything I've said is out the window. If they decide to "draw the boundary" a bit further out the whole discussion changes.

[Strychnine]

https://www.greencarcongress.com/2021/08/20210827-eluminator.html

Ford Performance selling Mach-E electric crate motor

27 August 2021
Ford Performance is offering the “Eluminator Mac E Electric Motor” as an electric crate engine, along with the dozens of combustion crate engines available.

The Eluminator, which carries a price of $3,900, is from the 2021 Mustang Mach-E GT. Specs include:

• Peak power: 210 kW (281 hp)
• Peak torque: 430 N·m (317 lb/ft)
• Max speed: 13,800rpm
• Gear ratio: 9.05:1
• Weight: 93kg / 205 lbs

The unit includes HV motor to traction inverter harness; LV harness/connector; and vent tube assembly.
It does not include the traction inverter; control system; or battery.

https://performanceparts.ford.com/part/M-9000-MACHE

[Cobraman]

We just bought a 14 Chevy volt to drive our 100mi round trip commute. It’s a great little car. About 40mi on electric and 10mi on gas per way. Charge for free at work and charging at home is covered by solar. Saving us tons of money vs our new rams we normally drive.

[Murph Tang]

I'm sure Ford is thinking that by calling it a Mustang-E it will be an easier transition to the eventual electric only Mustangs all together.

[Gasser64]

I'm sure Ford is thinking that by calling it a Mustang-E it will be an easier transition to the eventual electric only Mustangs all together.

If it's 2 or 3 times faster than the current mustang, can anyone really complain?

[Sgt Beavis]

If it's 2 or 3 times faster than the current mustang, can anyone really complain?

What forum do you think you’re on? People will absolutely complain.

[garycrist]

2 or 3 times faster than anyone, isn't that premature
electrification?