April 4

[Forever_frost]

It's been 20 years boys and girls. I head down on the 3rd for our reunion. As I always do, I ask you lift a drink to my boys, say a prayer for those who have gone on before and their families. Seems we have lost a few more along the way than were lost that day. 20 years has been harder on some than others but it'll be good to see those who remain. I think every year there will be fewer. We're getting old, I noticed it on chat today while we were comparing notes on the link up.

[Gasser64]

That's not true, and dry fasting seems retarded as hell. Please explain how (you) would water break a fast.

Ok prepare for a long ass post. - It is true, you've just got a lot to learn on the subject. Go read Dr Jason Fung's books, he'll educate you, and refute what you just said. (md that pushes fasting) Dr Alan Goldhammer will also help you. Read the study that earned a nobel prize given in 2015 on the study of Autophagy, which I'd call the main benefit of fasting. (autophagy from the Latin means "eat yourself")

In fasting circles, dry fasting is generally regarded as the "real fasting" or the "true fasting". Water fasting works, it just works at a slower pace. You'll drag out your fast, and stay longer in that state to get the same results. If you want to lose 7 lbs of fat you'll fast 7 days. Which I have done on water.

Water fasting is slower because even water does have to be processed to some extent. It obviously doesn't just go in your mouth and flow out your dick. It takes some amount of time and effort on your body's part just to process clean pure water. If it's shitty tap water, it'll be even worse. That's "processing power" that is diverted from eating up fat (and other things) during a fast. You can think of your body like a big processing plant, or perhaps a computer processor when it comes to this. The less work it has to do over here, the more it can do over here. Fasting on water nets you about 1lb of fat loss per day if you're a male. Less if you're female. Dry fasting on the other hand, is over double that amount. Some say it's 3x, so 3lbs of fat per day instead of 1. I manage about 2.7 lbs of fat per day, but like they say everybody's different. I really like the accelerated fat loss so I do dry fasting. I had to work up to it by doing water fasting first. There's also psychological barriers that most people will have to overcome. Water fasting is great for people to ease into fasting. People talk tough but they quickly find out that it ain't no joke.

If you think that dry fasting is somehow "dehydrating" yourself or something, it's just because you don't know about metabolic water. I piss the whole time I'm doing a 48 hour dry fast. The previous day's piss is gone by about the 20'th hour of day one. So where is all the piss coming from? Granted it's less often and it's gnarly looking, but my bladder will still fill up. I'm also staying inside in the cool AC, not fighting for my life trying to escape the Sahara desert in the middle of summer. Going for a (slow) walk helps when you start feeling bad. The hunger comes and goes.

Once you've broken your body in, the hunger becomes much less noticeable. There will always be that initial discomfort of skipping a meal, but it fades fast. Now I just ignore it and it doesn't bother me much. I also don't go do manual labor in this state. If I'm going to be working, I'm eating. As for workouts, that part is easy, you just work out sometime after your one meal that day. (when doing omad). There are people that will work out when fasting for days, but they have to take it real easy. And is that even much of a workout? I just say screw it and skip those days. They're not critical, you can work out on days you eat.

This post is approximated by me, and sure, the biological details are a lot more technical. I'm certainly no phd biologist or biochemist. But I've done what I can to learn from those people on the subject, and I live the proof that it works very well. As do many other people.

On how to break a water fast, raw fruits and vegetables will do the job nicely. I probably don't need to say that doing it with pizza and ice cream is a bad idea. Or even a "heavy" meal of steak and mashed potatoes. None of that stuff. You want light foods that are easy on your guts. Sushi works well. No breads. Try to stick with whole foods. Avoid processed if possible. If it was ground up into little bits then put back together, try to stay away from it. You don't want to replace any of the fat you just melted off. You're changing your "body fat set point" and once you do, it will actually work for you to try and keep you at this new lower weight. But you can fuck this up so use common sense. No starbucks Diabeetos or whatever. There are plenty of good whole foods both cooked and uncooked that are healthy non fattening foods. If you don't normally do it, using the salt shaker will have you feeling better the day you break the fast, and the next day too. I find that a lot of my cravings (say mexican food for example) are actually just salt cravings. You may find yourself thinking of those things you know have a lot of salt on them, but you experience this as a strong desire to eat that food.

Salt is a big deal when it comes to how you feel during a long fast, so when I'm fasting I'll put a pinch of salt on my tongue when I start feeling shitty. Salt has 0 calories so it won't break a fast. About 30 minutes later, I start feeling a lot better. Salt is the key to feeling good but don't overdo it or you'll empty your bile into the toilet. More than once. Just a pinch is plenty every 6 hours. If you feel fine don't do it. When you need salt you'll feel a bad energy drain along with just a feeling of misery. Like you're totally exhausted but you're somehow forced to continue on without rest. That's the only way I can describe it. It may take about 30 minutes for the salt to circulate and make you feel better.

[Tx Redneck]

That's not true, and dry fasting seems retarded as hell. Please explain how would water break a fast.

ScIeNcE dEnIeR

[Strychnine]

zero food or water outside of the 1 hour eating window.

That's not true, and dry fasting seems retarded as hell. Please explain how would water break a fast.

[Gasser64]

So I've started the fasting thing. 16 hours nothing and I'll do one decent meal usually before 3 so I have time.

I'm taking all of this in and working with nutritionists. I'm by no means discounting it. Hell, I'd like to be back in my DCU's for my 20th reunion back at Hood and that's 2 years.

That's great. The thing to know is, that fasting is a kind of progression. Once 16 hour fasts come easy to you, it's time to move it up to 24 hour fasts. Also known as Omad, or one meal a day. Again zero food or water outside of the 1 hour eating window. There's no room for error, or you've broken the fast and killed the beneficial weight loss effect.

Anyone who makes it to proper Omad and stays that course for a few months won't be fat. There is a plateau there, where you're still roughly 20 lbs overweight though. So that's when you finally move on to doing occasional 48 hour fasts. This will eat away that last stubborn bit of fat. Which won't get replaced because Omad isn't enough to replace it. That will just be your weight from then on. All of this is provided, of course, that you never return to eating the trash foods.

There's a whole lot of really good and tasty foods you can eat instead, and you won't miss the bad foods. This might take some learning and experimentation on your part but you will find them if you go looking. I never thought I'd like sushi but it's pretty great. Lots of stuff I've found like that, so now I can easily vary it up.

As for nutritionists...eh, I'd say if you've got fasting then you don't need em. I skipped em and drained every bit of fat off of me, and I feel great. And I didn't have to pay anyone anything for their advice. They might not like this though; I'd wager they have their reasons that they'll explain as to why you need them.

[AnthonyS]

So I've started the fasting thing. 16 hours nothing and I'll do one decent meal usually before 3 so I have time.

I'm taking all of this in and working with nutritionists. I'm by no means discounting it. Hell, I'd like to be back in my DCU's for my 20th reunion back at Hood and that's 2 years.

You can do it! I'd like to fit in my dress blues again someday.

[4bangen]

I'm fighting weight gain since my last accident. neck injuries make it hard to exercise, but so does the frustration. Glad you are doing better though. Keep it going.

[Forever_frost]

So I've started the fasting thing. 16 hours nothing and I'll do one decent meal usually before 3 so I have time.

I'm taking all of this in and working with nutritionists. I'm by no means discounting it. Hell, I'd like to be back in my DCU's for my 20th reunion back at Hood and that's 2 years.

[AnthonyS]

Even just cutting out soda and sugary drinks alone will help a lot. It'll suck at first but after a few weeks, you don't miss it as much and the up and down yo yo effect of sugar and caffeine goes away. I drink one soda a week now on Fridays, and honestly this past Friday it was a bit too sweet so I drank less. If you cut back on sugar and salt you really notice them when you go someplace less healthy. I still eat two meals a day but salad and steak or salad and chicken is a go to a few times a week now. Every Sunday at home is salad and steak night now. We grill and kiddo and the wife chop up a salad for us. Small steps can lead to the next thing. A few more months of this, maybe I will be ready to try the full fasting thing. I will be at 12 hrs all week or more which helps. I had dinner at 6pm and won't eat until lunch tomorrow. I'm still way over what I want and need to be, but the number is falling and I'm feeling better. Walking helps a lot too. No one was meant to rock a computer all day. We were designed to be mobile. I try and hit 10k steps a day now. Today was light at 8k, but I'm sure I will make up for it tomorrow at work. I'm happy to have a new job that allows me to get out and about more.

[Gasser64]

Well, just got in ahead of the storm and found out what was killing me. PUlled up to the memorial and saw that black marble and just broke. I sat in the middle of it and just talked. Apologized for not being back for years and just...talked. A lot of venom came out and that tear scabbed over.

I'm feeling much more like myself than I have in months. I'm sunburnt, windburnt and...happy.

Gasser, even when I was doing 40 miles a day on my bike and rucking I didn't have a flat stomach. Until the VA figures out what to do about my hip grinding against nerves, I'm working with just my exercise bike but I do agree. I"m working on it.

Still, what I needed was brotherhood and to see that. I needed to go back and I need to do it more often. It's an obligation I was neglecting and I could feel it.

That's good, I won't discount the exercise you were doing. But remember that those injuries can't force you to put food in your mouth. Nor can they force you to put trash foods in there, like burgers and fries and pizza and sodas and the whole lot. The laws of physics say that fat has to come off and you have to have a flat stomach, if you don't eat enough. Either that or someone is gonna win a nobel prize studying you and how you maintain fat without eating enough food to support it. If you cut it down to a single meal a day with no snacks or food of any kind outside of a 1 hour eating window, the fat is going away. (obviously the sweet drinks and fried foods have to go as well)

I know you said you're working on it, but you can actually cut some of that work out if you begin fasting. I find that this makes my life easier when it comes to trying to stay slim. It's easy to just be lazy on some days, and just not eat for 48 hours. 16 hour fasts are beginner mode, 12 hours if you really need to ease into it. That was me, I was so used to stuffing my face that it was hard to even skip one meal. But 24's are what most people should practice in the modern era of low manual labor. I will eat less than 365 meals this year. I only eat 1 meal per day (no eating outside that hour) and I'll do about three 48 hour fasts per month. It gets you so healthy that you don't even need as much sleep. I'm done sleeping at 6 hours, can't go any longer. A well known effect of fasting regularly.

Everyone has some crutch to fall back on, just ask them. Its boils down to whether you actually want it or not. I don't say this to bag on you (or anyone), I say it because it's a much better life. Is being fat what you want for your life? The quality of your life is far and away better by living the way people are supposed to. The way they looked at the beach in those 1970's photos.

I was badly overweight until I couldn't take it anymore. Got fed up with it and it had to go. If I can do it, so can you.

I'll never stop trying to convince people to lose weight and take control of their health.

[Forever_frost]

Glad you are doing better today. If you want to race a car Sunday hit up 4bangen and he'll tell you where to go. I share my hooptie, and it'll be more fun than sittin' around. Bring your own helmet, I don't share them. They have loaners but they are kinda skanky like a loaner GF.

Thanks bubba. I appreciate it

[AnthonyS]

Glad you are doing better today. If you want to race a car Sunday hit up 4bangen and he'll tell you where to go. I share my hooptie, and it'll be more fun than sittin' around. Bring your own helmet, I don't share them. They have loaners but they are kinda skanky like a loaner GF.

[Forever_frost]

Well, just got in ahead of the storm and found out what was killing me. PUlled up to the memorial and saw that black marble and just broke. I sat in the middle of it and just talked. Apologized for not being back for years and just...talked. A lot of venom came out and that tear scabbed over.

I'm feeling much more like myself than I have in months. I'm sunburnt, windburnt and...happy.

Gasser, even when I was doing 40 miles a day on my bike and rucking I didn't have a flat stomach. Until the VA figures out what to do about my hip grinding against nerves, I'm working with just my exercise bike but I do agree. I"m workign on it.

Still, what I needed was brotherhood and to see that. I needed to go back and I need to do it more often. It's an obligation I was neglecting and I could feel it.

[4bangen]

Get your T checked brother. Be strong, and party on. holler if you need to talk.

[Gasser64]

Guys I'll be honest, I'm having a lot of trouble staying on top of things this year. I find my energy is dipping hard and I'm lagging. A lot of depression trying to hit and the only thing keeping me running is heading to Hood on Sunday otherwise I'd probably just stay in bed until probably the 6th or so.

I mean, I feel just..drained and have for almost a week.

A big part of the reason your energy is dipping because you're badly overweight. It's a huge contributor whether you think it is or not. It's no way to live. Get down to a flat stomach whatever it takes, and you'll see depression fade and energy skyrocket. The psychological impact can't be understated. It's a night and day difference, they're two different worlds. Ask me how I know.

Or are you just gonna stay that way and do the "poor pitiful me" thing? It's time to sack up and be a man, one more time. Time to get rid of all the fat.