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  • Dallas Has Now Lost 82 Cases Against Robert Groden.

    The city of Dallas got poured out of court again yesterday in its decades long extra-legal persecution of Kennedy assassination expert Robert Groden, making the 82nd time the city has lost against Groden in its own municipal courts, not counting a major slap-down suffered by the city in the 5th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals earlier in the summer.

    That’s something. In 82 at-bats, 82 strike-outs. In professional baseball you’d have to be the owner’s son to rack up a record like that

    This is about a sign that says “Grassy Knoll.” To understand this story, you have to know that the words “grassy knoll” are forbidden in Dallas. No one is allowed to say them out loud, let alone put them on a sign.

    Don’t believe me? Give me a minute. You will.

    The unremitting determination of Dallas to throw the bat at Groden time after time, year after year, with the same result each time (“Yurrr OUT!”) is a remarkable testament to sheer institutional stubbornness and/or sheer institutional stupidity, take your pick.

    Groden sells books, magazines and videos on weekends from a folding table on the grassy knoll (Oh, I said it!) in Dealey Plaza downtown, where President John F. Kennedy was murdered on Nov. 22, 1963. The city has engaged in a decades long war to make Groden go away, repeatedly ticketing and even jailing him.

    Yesterday the city was kicked out of court for the same old reason: A municipal judge couldn’t find a municipal law that Groden had broken.

    Here’s the thing. If you have strong feelings about the Kennedy assassination, Dealey Plaza or banners, please put them aside for one moment and consider this question: How much respect can the city of Dallas command for itself when it knowingly engages in a decades long persecution not based on law?
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    At some point do we not have to conclude that Dallas does not respect the law? And then are we supposed to respect Dallas?

    Even though Dealey Plaza is sometimes rated as the second most visited tourist attraction in the state,
    Dallas, which is still ashamed of it, doesn’t put up signs to tell visors where stuff is there. So Groden does. When he’s there selling his wares, he erects a banner by his table that says “Grassy Knoll.” Otherwise, a newcomer would have no idea where it was.

    Last April 22, a Friday, when a city code inspector and a cop showed up at Groden’s table, Groden was there with his assistant Marshal Evans. The code inspector and the cop ticketed Evans for erecting an illegal sign.

    But — surprise, surprise! — the sign wasn’t illegal. Groden’s attorney Bradley Kizzia explained to me that the ordinance under which the code inspector ticketed Evans didn’t cover temporary banners. Hence, when the ticket finally arrived on the bench of a municipal judge this week, the judge kicked it out of court, saying he had no jurisdiction.

    This is the Groden story over and over again. They have ticketed him for selling books and magazines without a license, even though the city ordinance says you don’t have to have a license to sell books and magazines.

    They ticketed him once for selling in a park, even though Dealey Plaza isn’t a park. They ticketed him for not having a permit to do what he was doing, even though they don’t issue permits for what he was doing.

    Every time — 82 times — the city gets to court and a judge tells them that he or she cannot try Groden for doing something that is not against the law. So they do it again.

    The city of Dallas got poured out of court again yesterday in its decades long extra-legal persecution of Kennedy assassination expert Robert Groden, making the 82nd time the city has lost against Groden in its own municipal courts, not counting a major slap-down suffered by the city in the 5th...


    What a waste of tax payer money and the courts time.

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    I wonder at what point you sue for harassment.

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    • #3
      Originally posted by racrguy View Post
      I wonder at what point you sue for harassment.
      That is next to impossible to do successfully.
      Magnus, I am your father. You need to ask your mother about a man named Calvin Klein.

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      • #4
        Originally posted by svauto-erotic855 View Post
        That is next to impossible to do successfully.
        Where were you November 22, 1963?
        The hand that feeds, bleeds.

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        • #5
          He already has a lawsuit filed against the city but it keeps getting delayed.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by zora04 View Post
            Where were you November 22, 1963?
            One half of me was in my mothers ovaries. Given the life span of sperm I do not believe that the other half of me existed on that date.
            Magnus, I am your father. You need to ask your mother about a man named Calvin Klein.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by svauto-erotic855 View Post
              One half of me was in my mothers ovaries. Given the life span of sperm I do not believe that the other half of me existed on that date.
              How often do you test the life span of sperm?
              The hand that feeds, bleeds.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by zora04 View Post
                How often do you test the life span of sperm?

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by zora04 View Post
                  How often do you test the life span of sperm?
                  About twice per day I check to see if I still have any left; frequently I have an assistant help to see if they can get any out of me. It is more fun when I have an assistant.
                  Magnus, I am your father. You need to ask your mother about a man named Calvin Klein.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by svauto-erotic855 View Post
                    About twice per day I check to see if I still have any left; frequently I have an assistant help to see if they can get any out of me. It is more fun when I have an assistant.
                    Is he a boardmember?

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by svauto-erotic855 View Post
                      About twice per day I check to see if I still have any left; frequently I have an assistant help to see if they can get any out of me. It is more fun when I have an assistant.
                      So he gets it out of your ass? Felcher! Armageddon!
                      The hand that feeds, bleeds.

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                      • #12
                        I talked to this character one day down there , he has some wild theories and makes a good living selling photo copies of them .

                        Rain or shine he told me

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                        • #13
                          I was just down there Saturday and went to the 6th floor museum, it was crazy how anal they were about no pictures.

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                          • #14
                            I wonder if a judge can order code enforcement to stop issuing tickets for things that aren't against the law, then hold them in contempt if they do? If so, that judge could have put an end to this a while back.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Sgt Beavis View Post
                              I wonder if a judge can order code enforcement to stop issuing tickets for things that aren't against the law, then hold them in contempt if they do? If so, that judge could have put an end to this a while back.
                              99% sure that is the way our system is designed. Police can ticket for anything, they can arrest for anything. It is up to the judicial system to determine if its legitimate or not.

                              Harassment is something that the plaintiff would need to perform in cases like these. Would be hilarious to see the DPD get a restraining order from approaching this individual. I do agree with you, this petty bullshit may end up costing the city millions from a law suit.

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