He has a toy truck! Shoot him! FTP!

[Snatch Napkin]

I sure hope not a rifle and missed, but on the other hand 54 yards with a pistol is a hell of a shot. Sounds like he anticipated the recoil a little! I really would like to see the whole video and here the dispatch on it.

From that first video, from what I can see and here, I would have just walked up to the guy and grabbed him, or visited with him for a bit, while I had one guy with lethal, and one guy with less lethal cover on me. I am curious what made them pull the trigger.

One of the most intense stand offs I have been in we did this. Well we were all lethal but one guy eventually. We got a call of a suicidal subject in his back drive with a short barrel shotty. As I was coming up to the garage from the front of the house he pulled off a round. I was like, here we go. We pied the corner and there he was in a lawn chair, with a shotty facing his chest. Eventually after he wouldn't talk to our negotiator anymore we walked up on him. Two lethals, weapons down, and one guy talking with not a damn thing in his hand. The guy talking was a Marine and reckonized all the shit on his garage wall(Military awards). After a lot of talking and that guy taking several deep breaths, closing his eyes, and clinching, he decided the best way to give up was to raise the shotty up sideways and throw it in the trunk. Holy shit that was close to going either way. Four times we thought he was going to pull the trigger and the last time he didn't exactly announce his intentions. Would have been a good shoot, but I am glad the barrel went the other way and my partner also realized it did not come around towards us. Split seconds to make life a death decisions fellas.

That's the thing. A pistol shot is doable, but a bad decision with houses in the background. A rifle is an easy shot, so why miss?
I'm typically in support of police, but I can't with this one.
I just don't see a threat from my armchair vantage.

[Nash B.]

I completely agree this incident is inexcusable.
I also agree that every year there are incidents where the officer(s) in question are completely in the wrong.
I completely agree that there are men and women on departments nation wide who have zero business being a cop.

But there are thousands and thousands of contacts every year. Traffic stops, warrant, DWI, even the mythical "warning ticket". Out of those thousands of contacts every year, it is an incredibly tiny amount that "go bad".
Yet JUST LIKE the BLM pot stirrers, some of you here act like it is an epidemic, like the world is chock full of bad cops.
Running around with your hair on fire screaming "OMYGOD!!!!!OMYGOD!!! ALL COPS ARE BAD!!!
Get over yourselves.

I find it sad how many people that post here are such frothing at the mouth FTP'ers. I mean, really, some of you have such a deep hatred for those wearing the uniform and badge...and only because they wear the uniform and badge....that it must be a psychological problem.
Some of you need to get help.

Most of the time, when that tiny amount of contacts go bad, they go really, really bad, and the actors get off without consequences. That's a big problem.

[Forever_frost]

Wait, was he using a pistol or rifle?

Where did you hear this?

From the posted story:

Then, while Kinsey was lying supine with his hands in the air and the autistic man sat beside him, an officer fired three rounds from an assault rifle, according to North Miami police. One bullet found a target — Kinsey.

Read more here: http://www.miamiherald.com/news/loca...#storylink=cpy

[90MarkVII]

Most of the time, when that tiny amount of contacts go bad, they go really, really bad, and the actors get off without consequences. That's a big problem.

Yes. It is a BIG problem. Especially when a person dies. Or someone's dog (who are many times considered a family member).

[Snatch Napkin]

From the posted story:

Then, while Kinsey was lying supine with his hands in the air and the autistic man sat beside him, an officer fired three rounds from an assault rifle, according to North Miami police. One bullet found a target — Kinsey.

Read more here: http://www.miamiherald.com/news/loca...#storylink=cpy

Shaking my damn head.
Let's get away from the shitty trigger control and terrible aim. I just can't.

Let's say he did get spooked and thought he needed to protect the caretaker that had his hands up.
Why would they then handcuff him and let him bleed out for 20 minutes?
I can see cuffing him to search and clear the scene, if I look at it strictly as an active shooter\suicide situation. Why leave him in cuffs after they realize the epic misjudging?

[Forever_frost]

Shaking my damn head.
Let's get away from the shitty trigger control and terrible aim. I just can't.

Let's say he did get spooked and thought he needed to protect the caretaker that had his hands up.
Why would they then handcuff him and let him bleed out for 20 minutes?
I can see cuffing him to search and clear the scene, if I look at it strictly as an active shooter\suicide situation. Why leave him in cuffs after they realize the epic misjudging?

Again, needs to have been arrested right then and booked and locked up for shooting a citizen. If the citizenry sees that kind of response, the same kind of response that happens when a citizen accidentally shoots another citizen, then police may start regaining some trust from those they are meant to serve.

This should have been instant "Oh shit" move to provide care and cuff and stuff the offender. You book and then maybe release him later, pull his badge and gun for an investigation and kick him off the force. You overreact to protect the citizens from the officers as well as the offenders, especially when there was no danger outside of the officer hiding behind the car door, in body armor with an AR.

[Snatch Napkin]

Again, needs to have been arrested right then and booked and locked up for shooting a citizen. If the citizenry sees that kind of response, the same kind of response that happens when a citizen accidentally shoots another citizen, then police may start regaining some trust from those they are meant to serve.

This should have been instant "Oh shit" move to provide care and cuff and stuff the offender. You book and then maybe release him later, pull his badge and gun for an investigation and kick him off the force. You overreact to protect the citizens from the officers as well as the offenders, especially when there was no danger outside of the officer hiding behind the car door, in body armor with an AR.

I can agree with that, in this instance and the few similar ones.

[Forever_frost]

I can agree with that, in this instance and the few similar ones.

I also think when a cop shoots a homeowner's dog, it should be handled same as if a homeowner shoots a police K9. The cop goes to jail and is charged just as if he shot a homeowner. Equal application under the law.

[Grimpala]

I also think when a cop shoots a homeowner's dog, it should be handled same as if a homeowner shoots a police K9. The cop goes to jail and is charged just as if he shot a homeowner. Equal application under the law.

You forgot about when a cop leaves a K9 in the car and it dies he isn't prosecuted for killing a cop, it's just a dog at that point. But if a civilian kills a K9, it's killing an officer of the law.

[KBScobravert]

You forgot about when a cop leaves a K9 in the car and it dies he isn't prosecuted for killing a cop, it's just a dog at that point. But if a civilian kills a K9, it's killing an officer of the law.

He didn't forget.

[LANTIRN]

He didn't forget.

Lol.

[Forever_frost]

He didn't forget.

Nope. I didn't. Or when a civilian is speeding and talking on a cell phone and is ticketed for driving distracted and a cop is seen doing the same, he should be ticketed for the same thing. Same goes for seatbelt violations, speeding (without lights on), improper lane usage, failure to signal turns, failure to maintain speed, failure to maintain distance with the car in front of them, so on and so forth.

If it's illegal for a citizen, cops should be held to the same standard and be punished for the same offenses publicly. They are meant to be servants and servants don't get special rules and privileges.

[Rick Modena]

He didn't forget.

ahahahahaahahaha!

It took me a few tmes to read it, but I get it...

[Craizie]

Nope. I didn't. Or when a civilian is speeding and talking on a cell phone and is ticketed for driving distracted and a cop is seen doing the same, he should be ticketed for the same thing. Same goes for seatbelt violations, speeding (without lights on), improper lane usage, failure to signal turns, failure to maintain speed, failure to maintain distance with the car in front of them, so on and so forth.

If it's illegal for a citizen, cops should be held to the same standard and be punished for the same offenses publicly. They are meant to be servants and servants don't get special rules and privileges.

If they open up a patrol squad to police the police, let me know!

[Forever_frost]

That's the problem. There's no one to watch the watchmen.