Texas Republicans will vote on whether to secede from the U.S. Here’s the backstory.

[helosailor]

The Republican party needs to change their logo to something to more accurately reflect the mindset of the party "leaders".

[John -- '02 HAWK]

texas is in the exact place it was when it became a state. it can not stand alone.

Not true, Texas is in a much stronger position. The industrial revolution changed Texas' position which is why the state is now one of the largest economic, produce, livestock, and energy developers in the US (and the world).

Does that mean Texas can succeed in secession? not with out a lot debate, discussion, and establishment of a robust and fair infrastructure and government

[Captain Crawfish]

I really don't mind women in the mens room as long as they hold my johnson for me while I piss. I assume some of the bulldykes wont be too fond of the idea but its only fair. Just more progressive dumbshit

[Sean88gt]

One major facepalm.

[Captain Crawfish]

One major facepalm.

Hooray me! Fuck you

[Sean88gt]

Hooray me! Fuck you

That wasn't directed at you, Captain Anencephaly. It was meant generally, for anyone that thinks Texas bailing from the country is 1. Possible, and 2. Would actually ever happen.

That being said, your premise is just as retarded as you are.

[LANTIRN]

That wasn't directed at you, Captain Anencephaly. It was meant generally, for anyone that thinks Texas bailing from the country is 1. Possible, and 2. Would actually ever happen.

That being said, your premise is just as retarded as you are.

Oh it is possible; 11 states did just that and formed the confederacy. It has been done in the past and is possible to happen again as there is nothing in law, specifically the constitution, prohibiting it. Is it likely? No. Even if things got really really bad like an economic collapse I don't see it happening. And even if it did, its success is very unlikely. Not that Texas couldn't function on its own, but the US wouldn't allow it. It would last less than a week before we were occupied and/or at war. Plus, it would take a really shitty situation, or actually several shitt situatuations st once, for it to even seem like a decent idea. Texas independance is a cool thought, but overall probably not the best route for us, at least in the current situation. Plus lets face it, Texas government is pretty liberal compared to how we are portrayed in the media and that doesn't bode well for standing on our own long. A government with a bigger backbone and more truely independent and conservative mentality like Arizona would be much more likely to succeed in seccession I think. Texas has a great physical location for it, but even if the US gave their blessing and it happened peacfully I am not confident in the Texas government to be successful, respect rights, and run things in respect to the Texas constitution or draft a new one similar to the US that has been thrown away. See that is something no one ever talks about. Our state constitution is set up to run a state, not a nation, and is way too long to be efficient. Either a drastic amount of amendments would need to pass, or better yet a new national one drafted to run as a nation, which would need to include all the stuff our US founders gt right, fix a few things they didn't quite nail, and restrict the government in ways not currently done. Do you trust the Texas government to do that? If it were a libertarian leaning government I could say yes, but as of now it is just conservative, but pretty close to center with too many people wanting power and restrictions on freedoms still. Not a good place to be. Let's face it, we don't have anyone in Texas I know of besides maybe Ron Paul who resembles Washington or Jefferson or Adams when it comes to political leanings. Not good odds.

[Sean88gt]

Put some paragraph breaks in there, and I'll read it.

[yellowstang]

Oh it is possible; 11 states did just that and formed the confederacy.

It has been done in the past and is possible to happen again as there is nothing in law, specifically the constitution, prohibiting it.

Is it likely?

No.

Even if things got really really bad like an economic collapse I don't see it happening.

And even if it did, its success is very unlikely.

Not that Texas couldn't function on its own, but the US wouldn't allow it.

It would last less than a week before we were occupied and/or at war.

Plus, it would take a really shitty situation, or actually several shitt situatuations st once, for it to even seem like a decent idea.

Texas independance is a cool thought, but overall probably not the best route for us, at least in the current situation.

Plus lets face it, Texas government is pretty liberal compared to how we are portrayed in the media and that doesn't bode well for standing on our own long.

A government with a bigger backbone and more truely independent and conservative mentality like Arizona would be much more likely to succeed in seccession I think.

Texas has a great physical location for it, but even if the US gave their blessing and it happened peacfully I am not confident in the Texas government to be successful, respect rights, and run things in respect to the Texas constitution or draft a new one similar to the US that has been thrown away.

See that is something no one ever talks about.

Our state constitution is set up to run a state, not a nation, and is way too long to be efficient.

Either a drastic amount of amendments would need to pass, or better yet a new national one drafted to run as a nation, which would need to include all the stuff our US founders gt right, fix a few things they didn't quite nail, and restrict the government in ways not currently done.

Do you trust the Texas government to do that?

If it were a libertarian leaning government I could say yes, but as of now it is just conservative, but pretty close to center with too many people wanting power and restrictions on freedoms still.

Not a good place to be. Let's face it, we don't have anyone in Texas I know of besides maybe Ron Paul who resembles Washington or Jefferson or Adams when it comes to political leanings. Not good odds.

Put some paragraph breaks in there, and I'll read it.

Better?

[Sean88gt]

Better?

LMFAO!
Yes, but it shouldn't have to be explicitly said.

Trying to compare ANY action in the past to today is an act of foolishnesh. What happened in the Civil War would not and cannot happen now. So "possible" falls within the same category as it might be possible to shove a rocket up one's ass and fly to Mars.

EVERY company, supplier, etc., located within this state would immediately pull out. Texas would be treated as a hostile nation and saddled with crippling sanctions, and any level of economic viability would be crushed. It would look like Syria. And that's assuming it even got that far. Serious steps in that direction would see nearly all complicit state officers arrested and charged with treason. Federal funding would immediately stop. Literally every bargaining chip that Texas thought they had would be seized.

It is a fantastical idea much like surviving a zombie apocalypse. People generally think only of the positives, not the realities.

[LANTIRN]

LMFAO!
Yes, but it shouldn't have to be explicitly said.

Trying to compare ANY action in the past to today is an act of foolishnesh. What happened in the Civil War would not and cannot happen now. So "possible" falls within the same category as it might be possible to shove a rocket up one's ass and fly to Mars.

EVERY company, supplier, etc., located within this state would immediately pull out. Texas would be treated as a hostile nation and saddled with crippling sanctions, and any level of economic viability would be crushed. It would look like Syria. And that's assuming it even got that far. Serious steps in that direction would see nearly all complicit state officers arrested and charged with treason. Federal funding would immediately stop. Literally every bargaining chip that Texas thought they had would be seized.

It is a fantastical idea much like surviving a zombie apocalypse. People generally think only of the positives, not the realities.

Nations and economies rise and fall on a fairly regular basis. Businesses adjust accordingly. There is a buge market here and no doubt a lot of non Texas based companies would pull out, but not all of them would. If US companies wouldn't or couldn't operate here there are a lot of foreign ones that would. There are countries in Africa that are constantly war torn shitholes with civil wars and overthrows going on and a lot of companies still choose to do business for those areas. Free markets adapt. Even every major one pulled out in the beginning, if Texas were successful and won the war they would start returning. You can't just assume every major business would pull out and leave under one blanked assumption. I am not aware of any time in history that has happened.

[John -- '02 HAWK]

LMFAO!
EVERY company, supplier, etc., located within this state would immediately pull out. Texas would be treated as a hostile nation and saddled with crippling sanctions, and any level of economic viability would be crushed. It would look like Syria. And that's assuming it even got that far. Serious steps in that direction would see nearly all complicit state officers arrested and charged with treason. Federal funding would immediately stop. Literally every bargaining chip that Texas thought they had would be seized.

If it was an overnight thing the companies might leave, but if there was a well established infrastructure I doubt it would happen because of the costs the companies would inure. Remember Texas has a huge tax base and that loss of income to US would cause a huge burden, a burden that would be amplified when the states start having rolling blackouts due to the loss of the energy that Texas produces and sells.

Tariffs wouldnt stick as China, and Russia would gladly sell to the new republic just to stick it to the US. OPEC would probably try make a deal, and that collusion could cause US gasoline prices to sky rocket

[aggie97]

LMFAO!
Yes, but it shouldn't have to be explicitly said.

Trying to compare ANY action in the past to today is an act of foolishnesh. What happened in the Civil War would not and cannot happen now. So "possible" falls within the same category as it might be possible to shove a rocket up one's ass and fly to Mars.

EVERY company, supplier, etc., located within this state would immediately pull out. Texas would be treated as a hostile nation and saddled with crippling sanctions, and any level of economic viability would be crushed. It would look like Syria. And that's assuming it even got that far. Serious steps in that direction would see nearly all complicit state officers arrested and charged with treason. Federal funding would immediately stop. Literally every bargaining chip that Texas thought they had would be seized.

It is a fantastical idea much like surviving a zombie apocalypse. People generally think only of the positives, not the realities.

I'm not so sure that would happen actually. A large portion of the fortune 500 are already here to escape taxation from oppressive States and if the federal income tax situation disappeared overnight along with 90% of the other tax over reaches and replaced with a more profitable situation...they won't go anywhere regardless of "US sanctions" because Texas would be in a position of its own to impose sanctions on the US of A as a failing bankrupt acidic and hostile nation. It is all political posturing and asset flaunting. If Texas were to leave and accept a specific portion of the debt on day x and in return, keep all military assets on the ground within our borders, who do you think the banks of the world will keep supporting? As long as Texas can pay the military and begin collecting tax revenue similar to what the .gov used to without welfare for the anchor States, the Texas economy would destroy the other 49 States. You really have to look at it from a truly independent mature nation situation, not just a state standing alone with a fist in the air.

Now, do I think it will ever happen...? Probably not unless some really bad shit happens where the US economy tanks completely and each state has to fend for themselves. In that regard, I think Texas will thrive but in time will suffer the same fate as the US Republic with too large of a central government and a citizenry too happy to let it grow too large.