FBI asks Apple to hack iPhones from San Bernadino attacks

[GhostTX]

From the story, it appears to me that Apple (or Cook, actually) is more worried about the Pandora's box dilemma..



Based on that, the FBI isn't just asking Apple to provide them with the data from the phone. Besides, Apple's point is that there is currently no way to do that, and by helping the FBI develop a tool like that, they are risking it getting into the 'wrong hands'.

And many people believe that the 'wrong hands' is as likely to be the Federal government as it is a hacker or criminal.

Or how about the Federal govt can't keep themselves from being hacked so it isn't safe there.

For this exact reason.

http://appleinsider.com/articles/16/...oor-from-apple

In a press briefing on Wednesday, spokesman Josh Earnest said the government does not want Apple to "create a new backdoor to its products," according to Reuters. Instead, he suggested the issue is related to just one case: The December terrorist shooting in San Bernardino, Calif., that resulted in 16 deaths and 24 injuries.



I don't think this is unreasonable. Also it announces to terrorists.....use Apple products. Again its just one phone that they are asking for in regards to national defense and safety.. If it was about Jim Bob sending pics of his dingus to a coworker that's one thing but this is different.

It's not just ONE phone. Apple's saying the only way to crack it is push a new patch/OS to the iPhone and once the vulnerability is there, it's on EVERYBODY'S phone.

[Murph Tang]

What does their employees have anything to do with it? The recent CANBUS attacks on some of Chrysler/Dodges cars were "backdoors" that companies knew about that people still figured out. Knowing there is a backdoor makes it easier to figure out how to get in. If all providers were required to supply a back door for government purposes, it would be fairly straight forward to reverse engineer the how and then brute force the way in.


That's not in question.

so what you are telling me is once a back door is created it cannot closed/deleted.

And yes it lets those who are up to no good know that they can use Apple products to communicate without reproach.

We will have to agree to disagree. I personally have no problem under certain circumstances like terrorist activity providing information on a phone.

[Murph Tang]

For this exact reason.


It's not just ONE phone. Apple's saying the only way to crack it is push a new patch/OS to the iPhone and once the vulnerability is there, it's on EVERYBODY'S phone.

So what you are telling me is that Apple can't take this one phone in house and provide the Feds the info on it?

[Craizie]

http://appleinsider.com/articles/16/...oor-from-apple

In a press briefing on Wednesday, spokesman Josh Earnest said the government does not want Apple to "create a new backdoor to its products," according to Reuters. Instead, he suggested the issue is related to just one case: The December terrorist shooting in San Bernardino, Calif., that resulted in 16 deaths and 24 injuries.



I don't think this is unreasonable. Also it announces to terrorists.....use Apple products. Again its just one phone that they are asking for in regards to national defense and safety.. If it was about Jim Bob sending pics of his dingus to a coworker that's one thing but this is different.

Anything in the name of safety.

[mstng86]

And yes it lets those who are up to no good know that they can use Apple products to communicate without reproach.

Apple isn't saying they can't hack the phone, they are saying they won't for this issue.

[abecx]

so what you are telling me is once a back door is created it cannot closed/deleted.

Yes.

And yes it lets those who are up to no good know that they can use Apple products to communicate without reproach.

There are already tons of methods without reproach, this is one is no different.

We will have to agree to disagree. I personally have no problem under certain circumstances like terrorist activity providing information on a phone.

We both agree on that point, I just disagree with your method about getting it. Security through obscurity is not security.

[abecx]

Apple isn't saying they can't hack the phone, they are saying they won't for this issue.

Very true.

The FBI wants us to make a new version of the iPhone operating system, circumventing several important security features, and install it on an iPhone recovered during the investigation,” says Cook. “In the wrong hands, this software—which does not exist today—would have the potential to unlock any iPhone in someone’s physical possession. The FBI may use different words to describe this tool, but make no mistake: Building a version of iOS that bypasses security in this way would undeniably create a backdoor.

The FBI is asking Apple to make a new/custom version of iOs to install on the phone ( which they can force flash ) to view the data. Apple is refusing because the FBI would then be able to do that on ANY iPhone with that custom image.

What Apple basically told them is to do it themselves.

[Murph Tang]

Apple isn't saying they can't hack the phone, they are saying they won't for this issue.

National security is not good enough?

[Nash B.]

It's not just ONE phone. Apple's saying the only way to crack it is push a new patch/OS to the iPhone and once the vulnerability is there, it's on EVERYBODY'S phone.

It wouldn't necessarily be on everybody's phone, but once they created it, it could potentially be put on everybody's phone.

[Craizie]

Who the hell is this Murph dude?

[abecx]

National security is not good enough?

That isn't a valid reason because there is no basis that the information on the phone is related to national security. It is a "could be" scenario. My data "could be" related to national security.

My response is just pedantic, I still agree we should view the data that is on the phone, but the government should be the one cracking it, not Apple.

[Murph Tang]

Very true.



The FBI is asking Apple to make a new/custom version of iOs to install on the phone ( which they can force flash ) to view the data. Apple is refusing because the FBI would then be able to do that on ANY iPhone with that custom image.

What Apple basically told them is to do it themselves.

Everything I've read it says the FBI is asking Apple to unlock the phone. How Apple goes about it seems to be the interpretation that Apple is fighting over.

It seems reasonable that a technological giant that Apple is could provide this information without compromising their security.
Good advertising for Apple in the process.

I am entertained that Donald Trump and Obama are in agreement with this.

[Murph Tang]

Who the hell is this Murph dude?

been around a long time......long back before in the dfwstangs days.

[GhostTX]

National security is not good enough?

Just give the gub'ment more keys to your ever dwindling privacy.

[Chili]

Anything in the name of safety.

Just think about the kids!!

Everything I've read it says the FBI is asking Apple to unlock the phone. How Apple goes about it seems to be the interpretation that Apple is fighting over.

It seems reasonable that a technological giant that Apple is could provide this information without compromising their security.
Good advertising for Apple in the process.

I am entertained that Donald Trump and Obama are in agreement with this.

Everything? You sure? You did read the article in the first post, right?

...Rather than impel Apple to unlock the phone, the FBI wants Apple to help it develop a way to “bruteforce” the password...