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Originally posted by ram57ta
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No shit. I was wondering the same thing.
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Elaborate please, keeping in mind that we extended lines of credit to both sides to profit, and jumped in when the Central Powers started fucking with our profiteering (and by blowing up our shit).Originally posted by Chuck_Finley View PostOriginally posted by lincolnboyComment
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If you guys are interested, read Antony Beevor's Stalingrad and Fall of Berlin 1945 books.Comment
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That was my post about the B-36 which was built in Ft Worth and ordered in 1941 ( prior to Pearl Harbor ) to be used to bomb Germany from bases in the US & Canada should England have fallen. I was trying to edit the post from my phone and my fat @ss finger hit the delete button. It never saw action in the war, and became the first intercontinental bomber for the Air Force until it was replaced by the B-52.Originally posted by ram57ta View Post
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It was actually obsolete by Korea when the Soviets had finally developed jet interceptors that could fly at the same altitude as the B-36 without having stalling/turning issues, and why the B-52 replaced it.Originally posted by 03mustangdude View Post
But for 1944/45 should it have been needed, it would have served quite well. Watch this from 1943 that gives some detail about the idea of bombing Germany/Japan from US air bases.
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Watching Enemy at the Gates. Great movie.Comment
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Originally posted by Alex C View Post
We chose to support Britain and France primarily because we had more capital tied up with them than we did with Germany. The Zimmerman telegram to Mexico only added icing on the cake. At the time, that decision could easily be seen as the right one to make, but we also can't sit back and say that we didn't know about the bolsheviks trying to seize power in Russia. We also can't say that we didn't know what communism was all about back then because there sure as hell were plenty of people in the U.S. organizing on that front. People also tend to forget that during the early 20th century, California almost voted in an openly communist government; the margins were pretty thin.
The U.S. should have sent a much larger army into Russia to support the whites than it did; now look what we have to deal with even today. The effects of World War I are alive and well today and likely even another 100 years from now.Comment
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So we "supported the wrong side" after that side asked Mexico to invade us?
Also keep in mind that it would've been impossible to support the Central Powers with, I don't know, the British fucking grand fleet keeping us from stepping foot in the Atlantic.
We wanted money, and siding with Britain and France ensured we would get more of it.Originally posted by lincolnboyComment
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Wasn't that letter false or faked? Think weekly ww1 series on youtube said something like that.Originally posted by Alex C View Post
That grand fleet was occupied and since we were neutral just supporting the central powers they would not have stopped us.
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We do not really know if the telegram was false or not, but that was not a risk we were willing to take.
And if you think the British would've simply let us plant supplies to support the alliance, you are crazy sir (also keep in mind how dependant we were on their merchant mariners to cross the ocean). The fact of the matter is we chose our side wisely and correctly.Originally posted by lincolnboyComment
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I don't think you quite understand the point I'm trying to make here. After Germany was forced into terrible conditions at Versailles, that whole nation was in total ruin. If something could have have happened by mid-1918 to force at least a ceasefire, maybe all of these nations could have taken a breath and realized a far worse threat was developing in the east. If that could have happened, Germany would have been a very serious force to contend with right on the doorstep of Russia. All of the allied powers would have had an easier time of finding common ground with Germany and Austria than they would have with Russia, not to mention again that Finland would have been happy to join in and lend a hand too.Originally posted by Alex C View Post
Their bullshit Marxist ideals that have yet to be successful anywhere continue to pervade the minds of so-called "intellectuals" in western societies everywhere today, but are most often embraced by those who can't even balance their own checkbook for the simple purpose of exerting power over others through force of government.Comment
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We can speculate a lot here, but a communist revolution in a backwater country (that despite numerical superiority was routed by the Germans) was not nearly as bad as what would have happened if the German Empire and Austria-Hungary seized the day.
Remember that just years before the Germans shattered the French economy after the Franco-Prussian War, took their territory, and then unified into a massive and terrifying empire. This would surely have been repeated on a larger scale, the French would have likely had a communist revolution, and the British arguably would have as well (the monarchy may well have been abolished, as in Germany). We may have followed suit if we saw the Western democracies capitulate in favor of communism as well, who the hell knows.
What I can say with certainty is that when you said "the U.S. backed the wrong side during World War I", you are quite wrong.Originally posted by lincolnboyComment
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You can say I'm wrong all you want, it's your opinion. Our nation should have made an effort to effect a ceasefire during that war in order to turn attention to the bolshevik threats. That entire revolution hinged on Lenin and he was kept under wraps pretty well by the Swiss. Who else would have managed to pull off what he did? Trotsky? Zinoviev? We can effectively look at Lenin as being the lynchpin that made it all possible. Look at what a backwater nation turned into in roughly 20 years time, and how that total poison of a culture that ranks right up there with sharia law managed to spread so fast around the world.
The superpower that was imperial Germany would have been far easier to deal with then some convert-or-die jihad or one-world labor union under communism.Comment
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Uh... You know we exploited the commies by watching them deal with WWII in Europe, then beat them without firing a shot at them right? I would say that went pretty well.
This was of course after WWI when we chose the winning horse... And you think we goofed that up?Originally posted by lincolnboyComment
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