How big of a thanks does america owe the black lives matter community?

[kingjason]

The rich also helped every person who holds a bank share, whether directly or indirectly. If you have a pension they helped you too because most likely you own shares in banks even if you don't realize it. There is a good chance they prevented a depression. I am not saying I agree with everything that went on but it isn't as simple as just wishing everyone best of luck and pulling the trigger. If anything the whole episode is a great example of why we need government to stop trying to regulate who does and doesn't get a mortgage.

Shit I started with Ford and thought, no GM was the big culprit just saved the wrong link.

I almost 100 percent agree with your statement and get all of that. I think Clinton started that shit did he not? That whole lot is a cluster fuck also.

[Broncojohnny]

Shit I started with Ford and thought, no GM was the big culprit just saved the wrong link.

I almost 100 percent agree with your statement and get all of that. I think Clinton started that shit did he not? That whole lot is a cluster fuck also.

He started it but in my opinion it was both sides, think about it this way, the crybaby dems pushed their agenda to get every person a house because "they deserved it". The Republicans figured out a way to allow their pals at the banks to make tons of money off of it. It was a perfect storm.

[abecx]

I find it unnerving how black and white mature adults can still view the world. Simply because I believe there is a wage issue does not mean I am socialist, I am not trying to take anything away from anyone here I just want to see a better world for my children and theirs. What I was attempting to do was speak out loud and voicing my opinion so I could hear counterarguments to strengthen or weaken my own resolve. In my view ts 2016, and we should be striving for more and not perpetuating this archaic and recycled caste system that we call currently call wage classes.

It bothers me seeing friends and family struggling in this economy because of just how different the wages are from front line to the top. I see both sides of this, and I do agree there are many slackers in this world, but there are just as many hard workers and talented people that do not get what they deserve because the American dream is to become the one that does the exploiting and I would like to see a progression from that.

[jdgregory84]

The more i see the protests against police brutality...the more i think that it should have happened sooner. I know that some of these instances are almost warranted...but most are excessive regardless of the stupid games played. While i want to hate on the notion that only the black community is mistreated, the end result is the same. This helps citizens as a whole.

Officers should have to follow the same rules of engagement as our soldiers. Officers should be locked away for good when they protect their dirty partners and brothers. But the status quo would have never addressed that.

So while i cautiously approach this, i think the black lives matter community is accomplishing something the status quo hasnt been able to get.

Flame away.

When you can't say something smart...say something loud. This is the method of "black lives matter."

Ironically being MLK day, these folks have the same idea, but lack the leadership of someone who knows the law, and can work efficiently within the law. Dr. King said that "A law of man that doesn't abide by the law of God is no law at all." I would agree. I haven't really kept up with "Black Lives Matter" that much, but when they interrupted a Bernie Sanders rally, I came to the conclusion that they weren't about being "smart"...they were just about being "loud." Sanders is a White Jew that stands up for everything the democratic party SHOULD be, and they were silencing him. Don't get me wrong, I'm not a Sanders supporter, but they really fucked him over with their ignorance.

They have a bunch of idiots that are being highlighted by the media when I'm sure there are people that know the best way to do this that are being ignored because it doesn't make for good TV.

[svauto-erotic855]

Lets just say GM. Now this is just the CEO not her minions. Where do you think GM gets it's money? Maybe car sales? So some of the new trucks cost half a house. Did we not save this company? I don't care if they paid it back with interest, it should have failed and took a bunch of other shit with it just like the banks should have done.

GM was not bailed out in the way that you think it was. Obama prevented them from filing the Chapter 11 bankruptcy for 8 months that would have saved the company without government intervention. This was done so the company would be so weak that they would have no choice but to do what Obama wanted and what he wanted was to steal ownership of the company and to give it to the people who gave him campaign contributions and votes. That is why the judge in the case ignored all bankruptcy laws and gave 62% of the company to the UAW Union. What we saw with the GM deal was theft on a grand scale and not a government bailout.

[Broncojohnny]

I find it unnerving how black and white mature adults can still view the world. Simply because I believe there is a wage issue does not mean I am socialist, I am not trying to take anything away from anyone here I just want to see a better world for my children and theirs. What I was attempting to do was speak out loud and voicing my opinion so I could hear counterarguments to strengthen or weaken my own resolve. In my view ts 2016, and we should be striving for more and not perpetuating this archaic and recycled caste system that we call currently call wage classes.

It bothers me seeing friends and family struggling in this economy because of just how different the wages are from front line to the top. I see both sides of this, and I do agree there are many slackers in this world, but there are just as many hard workers and talented people that do not get what they deserve because the American dream is to become the one that does the exploiting and I would like to see a progression from that.

No one here is faulting you for your view, I think that in some idealistic sense we agree with you. The reality is that capitalism is the best system for letting people advance. The bad part of that is that it takes work and there are winners and there are losers.

[abecx]

No one here is faulting you for your view, I think that in some idealistic sense we agree with you. The reality is that capitalism is the best system for letting people advance. The bad part of that is that it takes work and there are winners and there are losers.

Something Dana White said I think about in regards to what you said, it was about some UFC fighters that were bitching about pay along the lines of "Look at your record, maybe this isn't the right business decision for you." I do believe that not everyone is cut out to excel. But as you said idealistically, even those that are not able to excel shouldn't be stuck say in an apartment because rent costs just as much as a house payment or any of the other countless inflation related problems right now.

It makes me upset that I can do so much for my daughter that will only put her in a better position in life than her peers as she grows up and that other parents cant. It feels wrong to revel in success.

[Baron Von Crowder]

Something Dana White said I think about in regards to what you said, it was about some UFC fighters that were bitching about pay along the lines of "Look at your record, maybe this isn't the right business decision for you." I do believe that not everyone is cut out to excel. But as you said idealistically, even those that are not able to excel shouldn't be stuck say in an apartment because rent costs just as much as a house payment or any of the other countless inflation related problems right now.

It makes me upset that I can do so much for my daughter that will only put her in a better position in life than her peers as she grows up and that other parents cant. It feels wrong to revel in success.

Do you own a home?

[juiceweezl]

While I don't disagree with a lot of the sentiment in this thread, I do want to point out how impatient our society has become. Many of you, including abecx, want to make things better for your kids. Dr Dave and I have talked about this before with our kids that play baseball -- we'll go out of our way to make sure they have every tool available to help them get better as long as they work hard pursuing their goal of playing. The key difference here is that everyone wants something more or better immediately. Tired of looking at a 32" TV and want a shiny new 65" 4K one instead like the 'rich' guy you know at work? No need to log extra hours, take a side job, cut back on spending for a while or save until you can pay for it. Just run down to the store and put it on credit.

The same mentality prevails with homes, cars, etc. People aren't willing to work and wait to move up.

[abecx]

Do you own a home?

No and my rent isnt exactly cheap either, but I was referencing people that are paying $800 a month for a 2 bedroom, its hard for them to ever save up enough for a house without getting loan insurance.

The same mentality prevails with homes, cars, etc. People aren't willing to work and wait to move up.

I agree, but I think the rate of upwards movement is also slow. Companies act like 5% raises are some massive thing to be thankful about, but when you're paying employees so low to begin with, 5% isnt that much.

[SS Junk]

The same mentality prevails with homes, cars, etc. People aren't willing to work and wait to move up.

Truth in everything said. I was in an apartment for several years during the housing bubble. We couldn't really afford a house because they were being sold for hundreds of thousands more than they were worth and people were trying to out bid one another. Once it burst we jumped on that shit and got a house we lived in which built a great amount of equity before selling. All this because I did not want to jump in with the sheep for the instant gratification of being a home owner. Instead of throwing money at an issue, like anything else, why not educate the ignorant on finances since the majority of the population knows fuck all about keeping money in a bank account. Give a man to fish...
What was interesting is some of the houses we looked at were foreclosures. They were very nice houses which were only a few years old, however the home owners tore the living shit out of the inside, which would have taken tens of thousands to make livable again.

No and my rent isnt exactly cheap either, but I was referencing people that are paying $800 a month for a 2 bedroom, its hard for them to ever save up enough for a house without getting loan insurance.

Twelve hundred a month here, back in the early 2000's. Nothing around the area was really any cheaper. Instead of crying about it my wife and I earned, saved and made sacrifices, just as it should be.

[Baron Von Crowder]

No and my rent isnt exactly cheap either, but I was referencing people that are paying $800 a month for a 2 bedroom, its hard for them to ever save up enough for a house without getting loan insurance.


I agree, but I think the rate of upwards movement is also slow. Companies act like 5% raises are some massive thing to be thankful about, but when you're paying employees so low to begin with, 5% isnt that much.

you confuse the fuck out of me.

[bcoop]

You don't fix an entitlement problem by taking more from those who earned it to give it to those who didn't. It is exactly like giving a crackhead your tv so he can sell it for drug money.

[Baron Von Crowder]

You don't fix an entitlement problem by taking more from those who earned it to give it to those who didn't. It is exactly like giving a crackhead your tv so he can sell it for drug money.

hey, I want a new truck, but cant afford one. Can I have yours?

[Cobraman]

No need to log extra hours, take a side job, cut back on spending for a while or save until you can pay for it. Just run down to the store and put it on credit.

With no interest why use your own money?