How big of a thanks does america owe the black lives matter community?

[kingjason]

We don't bat an eye to bail out billion dollar companies but tell dual income families of people making $35k - $50k a year to work harder and to better themselves. We let them fail and tell them it's their fault and to suck it up.

It makes no sense. I made over $250k last year and I still feel that I should be getting a bigger piece of the pie for my efforts, talents and experience. just because I feel the system is broken doesn't mean I am blind to lazy employees or satiation of position by some. Betterment shouldn't mean we have to give up our lives for companies. I've worked from home everyday for the last two years and have got to see my daughter grow up and be there for her while I work whatever hours I want. That is what we should be striving for as employers and what employees should be demanding as well as giving the money where it's due. Athletes hire agents I feel I should do the same at this point.

We should be striving at ruling the world in income equality. I love this country and this state but feel we could do better to share the wealth. when we solve for the wants and needs of everyone, we will progress as a species. Hope I get to see that.

Spot on.

[kingjason]

oh boy, they're gonna put you and ruffdaddy on my side of the court in a minute.

Nay anyone can come on here and spout off about any swinging dick has the opportunity to make six figures a year if they just apply them selves. I have seen first hand that is not always true. It is way easier to come out of a middle class family and do well for yourself then to come out of a poverty ridden area, full of crimes, and drugs and better yourself. Any one that can't see that is a idiot. I have seen kids get their ass beat for trying to do better in life because it just wasn't cool. I am happy with were the wife and I sit financially but ever year, something chips away at our financial well being a little more. Name one thing that hasn't gone up a lot over the last five years, except gas. If gas was to hit five bucks again, with all the other higher prices, we would drop right into another recession.

[LANTIRN]

We don't bat an eye to bail out billion dollar companies but tell dual income families of people making $35k - $50k a year to work harder and to better themselves. We let them fail and tell them it's their fault and to suck it up.

It makes no sense. I made over $250k last year and I still feel that I should be getting a bigger piece of the pie for my efforts, talents and experience. just because I feel the system is broken doesn't mean I am blind to lazy employees or satiation of position by some. Betterment shouldn't mean we have to give up our lives for companies. I've worked from home everyday for the last two years and have got to see my daughter grow up and be there for her while I work whatever hours I want. That is what we should be striving for as employers and what employees should be demanding as well as giving the money where it's due. Athletes hire agents I feel I should do the same at this point.

We should be striving at ruling the world in income equality. I love this country and this state but feel we could do better to share the wealth. when we solve for the wants and needs of everyone, we will progress as a species. Hope I get to see that.

Then take that 250k and give 200k of it away to people who make less and you all live off 50k. You want socialism, put your money where your fucking mouth is. As said above there is no reason except laziness and poor financial decisions that keep people from getting ahead in this country. SVO and a few others have been pretty spot on in this thread. You have no skills, you make less. Learn skills and become more valuable to your employer, you make more. Fuck expensivr college, go to trade school and learn a useful skill. Mike Rowe is right about all the skilled trade jobs available because no one in this country wants them. We raised two or three generations thinking college is the only answer, flooded the market with degrees, and made most of them useless. Kids think they are too good to work on plumbing or get into construction or work their way up in retail. That is the problem, or at least one of them.

[SS Junk]

Then take that 250k and give 200k of it away to people who make less and you all live off 50k. You want socialism, put your money where your fucking mouth is.

Exactly. You want to share your wealth, go right ahead. I do my fair share of giving, but the "we should do more to share the wealth" fruitloops are not going to tell me how much I should give. That's up to me and the Almighty. NOT those who want instant gratification while doing nothing to earn it.

[slow99]

I'd just like to point out that abecx gets paid very well, in case anyone's missed that.

[Broncojohnny]

If people believe in sharing the wealth then they should start sharing their own. Actually we here in the US are far above most parts of the world when it comes to income. Technically speaking, if you follow the logic fully, then even our welfare recipients should be mailing checks to the poor folks in Africa.

Good luck with that ever happening though. What you will find is that it is always the other guy or the government who should be sharing. Very rarely will someone actually be in favor of handing out money and actually hand out their own money. They'll be more than happy to hand our their neighbor's money, of course. Or insist that the government take their neighbor's money and hand it out under threat of imprisonment. That is the problem with socialism and communism, it is always the other guy who should take the hit. If you believe in it, then pass it out, there is nothing stopping you from doing that. Even if you insist on government being involved, the Treasury takes donations, just write them a check, why do you need a law to do that?

[DON SVO]

I'd just like to point out that abecx gets paid very well, in case anyone's missed that.

Million dollar SRT C300.

[kingjason]

If people believe in sharing the wealth then they should start sharing their own. Actually we here in the US are far above most parts of the world when it comes to income. Technically speaking, if you follow the logic fully, then even our welfare recipients should be mailing checks to the poor folks in Africa.

Good luck with that ever happening though. What you will find is that it is always the other guy or the government who should be sharing. Very rarely will someone actually be in favor of handing out money and actually hand out their own money. They'll be more than happy to hand our their neighbor's money, of course. Or insist that the government take their neighbor's money and hand it out under threat of imprisonment. That is the problem with socialism and communism, it is always the other guy who should take the hit. If you believe in it, then pass it out, there is nothing stopping you from doing that. Even if you insist on government being involved, the Treasury takes donations, just write them a check, why do you need a law to do that?

I am not saying everyone should share their wealth. I am saying the gap between the ultra rich and the middle class has widened tremendously. Like I said above,this country protects the ultra rich and it is wrong. We should of let the system auto correct but we bailed it out. I believe that is what he is saying also. I don't know if there should be a line or if even there is a line where it gets stupid but something has gone wrong over the years. I do get that even our poor people have it better than a lot of other countries but that still does not correct the problem.

[svauto-erotic855]

I am not saying everyone should share their wealth. I am saying the gap between the ultra rich and the middle class has widened tremendously. Like I said above,this country protects the ultra rich and it is wrong. We should of let the system auto correct but we bailed it out. I believe that is what he is saying also. I don't know if there should be a line or if even there is a line where it gets stupid but something has gone wrong over the years. I do get that even our poor people have it better than a lot of other countries but that still does not correct the problem.

The middle class has had wage stagnation for one reason only and that is because the trades have been flooded with cheap labor. Get rid of the cheap labor and any skilled redneck who will show up on time and bust his ass will make 160k per year.

The system for the most part did not need to be bailed out and many who were bailed out we're not given a choice about playing ball with the Feds.it was take the money or else.

[Broncojohnny]

The middle class has had wage stagnation for one reason only and that is because the trades have been flooded with cheap labor. Get rid of the cheap labor and any skilled redneck who will show up on time and bust his ass will make 160k per year.

The system for the most part did not need to be bailed out and many who were bailed out we're not given a choice about playing ball with the Feds.it was take the money or else.

Exactly. Wells Fargo, arguably the best bank in the country, had no junk mortgages. Their CEO made them get out of that business years before the shit hit the fan. Yet they had to take the money just like everyone else did. There were many mid sized banks in the same boat from what I remember. The Feds made them take the money so that no bank would appear stronger than the others.

The treasury also made money on the bank bailouts. It was paid back with interest. If you want to howl about someone getting a crooked ass bailout, then look at GM.

[Broncojohnny]

I am not saying everyone should share their wealth. I am saying the gap between the ultra rich and the middle class has widened tremendously. Like I said above,this country protects the ultra rich and it is wrong. We should of let the system auto correct but we bailed it out. I believe that is what he is saying also. I don't know if there should be a line or if even there is a line where it gets stupid but something has gone wrong over the years. I do get that even our poor people have it better than a lot of other countries but that still does not correct the problem.

How does the income of the ultra wealthy affect you? I am wondering why that matters to you or me?

[kingjason]

How does the income of the ultra wealthy affect you? I am wondering why that matters to you or me?

Lets just say GM.

http://money.cnn.com/2013/03/07/news/companies/mulally/

Now this is just the CEO not her minions. Where do you think GM gets it's money? Maybe car sales? So some of the new trucks cost half a house. Did we not save this company? I don't care if they paid it back with interest, it should have failed and took a bunch of other shit with it just like the banks should have done.

Now run this across the board with banks, car manufacturers, and other large corps we bailed out. It is a racket. Just like the guy that doesn't lose the bank 300 million this year and gets a nice 30 million dollar bonus. I am not talking about a individual that goes out and makes millions of dollars. Good for that guy the skys the limit.

[kingjason]

The middle class has had wage stagnation for one reason only and that is because the trades have been flooded with cheap labor. Get rid of the cheap labor and any skilled redneck who will show up on time and bust his ass will make 160k per year.

The system for the most part did not need to be bailed out and many who were bailed out we're not given a choice about playing ball with the Feds.it was take the money or else.

Exactly. Wells Fargo, arguably the best bank in the country, had no junk mortgages. Their CEO made them get out of that business years before the shit hit the fan. Yet they had to take the money just like everyone else did. There were many mid sized banks in the same boat from what I remember. The Feds made them take the money so that no bank would appear stronger than the others.

The treasury also made money on the bank bailouts. It was paid back with interest. If you want to howl about someone getting a crooked ass bailout, then look at GM.

Shit I didn't finish this page before responding. Yes GM is a good example. But really how will we ever know how many banks would have failed? You can say most of this or that but we will never know because the rich helped the rich and intervened.

[Broncojohnny]

Lets just say GM.

http://money.cnn.com/2013/03/07/news/companies/mulally/

Now this is just the CEO not her minions. Where do you think GM gets it's money? Maybe car sales? So some of the new trucks cost half a house. Did we not save this company? I don't care if they paid it back with interest, it should have failed and took a bunch of other shit with it just like the banks should have done.

Now run this across the board with banks, car manufacturers, and other large corps we bailed out. It is a racket. Just like the guy that doesn't lose the bank 300 million this year and gets a nice 30 million dollar bonus. I am not talking about a individual that goes out and makes millions of dollars. Good for that guy the skys the limit.

I'm not sure what you are saying here because you are talking about GM but your link is to an article about Ford's CEO. The whole GM bailout was bullshit and I said that.

[Broncojohnny]

Shit I didn't finish this page before responding. Yes GM is a good example. But really how will we ever know how many banks would have failed? You can say most of this or that but we will never know because the rich helped the rich and intervened.

The rich also helped every person who holds a bank share, whether directly or indirectly. If you have a pension they helped you too because most likely you own shares in banks even if you don't realize it. There is a good chance they prevented a depression. I am not saying I agree with everything that went on but it isn't as simple as just wishing everyone best of luck and pulling the trigger. If anything the whole episode is a great example of why we need government to stop trying to regulate who does and doesn't get a mortgage.