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Originally posted by BLAKE View PostWhat's the matter Colonel Sanders? Chicken?
Edit: I will cut you a deal. Give me 450 billion of your own dollars and I will build you a black phallic symbol on the far side of the moon and will do so with machines designed and built before most of us here were even born.Last edited by svauto-erotic855; 07-04-2017, 02:17 PM.Magnus, I am your father. You need to ask your mother about a man named Calvin Klein.
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Originally posted by Broncojohnny View Post...of the current high risk low yield capital environment that we have dwelled in for over a decade now.
Originally posted by svauto-erotic855 View PostI would not hold my breath waiting......
If I recall corectly you are a numbers guy so crunch some numbers and see how many of their cheap cars they would have to sell each year to even cover their monthly losses.WH
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Originally posted by Gasser64 View PostWhat do you attribute this to? And would you say that being in this state, would pretty much create a bear market during such a 10 year period?
There will be a point where all of this funding for these companies evaporates though, at some point people realize that the risk of funding Tesla is not worth the risk. The minute that Amazon or Tesla are judged like any other publicly traded company is the minute the shit hits the fan.Originally posted by racrguyWhat's your beef with NPR, because their listeners are typically more informed than others?Originally posted by racrguyVoting is a constitutional right, overthrowing the government isn't.
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Originally posted by Gasser64 View Post
Isn't this the year that GM, Ford, and a few others are going to be releasing their own full electric vehicles?
The next gen Nissan Leaf is expected to have over 200 miles of range.
The Tesla Model 3 should have 215 miles of range at a minimum. There are expected to be versions with a larger battery and much longer range.
The 2017 BMW i3 got a new battery and has 120 miles of range but you can also buy it with a range extending engine.
Ford soldiers on with the Focus electric. Which doesn't have much range. To my knowledge, they don't yet have an official car in the works with a range over 200 miles.
Porsche has an electric 911 and 4 door sedan in the works.
Audi has several electrics coming.
VW has 5 fully electric vehicles coming from next year to 2022 when the electric Microbus is expected.
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Originally posted by juiceweezl View PostGas is under 2 bucks a gallon. Don't expect any major breakthroughs in electric as long as that's the case. As Al said, so much of this technology is propped up with free money and tax credits. It's all bullshit.
But new battery tech comes along very slowly and is obviously a huge safety concern.
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Originally posted by Ruffdaddy View PostI would still expect advancements in battery tech which will ultimately be the key tech that drives a step change in electric car performance. This is because everyone wants improved battery tech (consumer electronics, automotive, aerospace...etc).
But new battery tech comes along very slowly and is obviously a huge safety concern.Magnus, I am your father. You need to ask your mother about a man named Calvin Klein.
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Originally posted by svauto-erotic855 View PostBattery techs 1st limitation is physics, its other limitations are safety, cost, packaging, and environmental to name a few. There is not even a theoretical model for a battery that would be even close to the energy density of any carbon fuel and there never will be.
And comparing just energy densities between batteries and hydrocarbons is stupid. Gasoline does not allow for regenerative breaking, fuel systems and the difference in motor size alone will heavily shift the comparative relationship.
Like I said, you've proven to me that you don't know what the hell you are talking about when you started popping off your stupidity on rockets. All you're doing now is reinforcing it. I can now definitively say you're full of it...youve claimed a lot of dumb shit over the years but this finally sealed the deal. You're off your rocker man.
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Originally posted by juiceweezl View PostGas is under 2 bucks a gallon. Don't expect any major breakthroughs in electric as long as that's the case. As Al said, so much of this technology is propped up with free money and tax credits. It's all bullshit.
BTW, Oil production is subsidized rather heavily by the federal state government as well. To the tune of roughly $20.5Billion. That doesn't include the huge amounts of money spent on keeping sea lanes open for oil transport around the world. Then there is the Ethanol subsidy which accounts for at least 10% of your gas at the pump (and I think we both agree that's pretty stupid).
I'm having trouble finding the total annual costs of the federal electric car tax credit. I'm sure someone else can find it but I'm betting it is significantly less. Also, the federal credit isn't unlimited either. It gets phased out after a certain number of cars are built by the manufacturer.
There were also loan guarantees for electric car companies. Those only cost the Feds if the manufacturer defaults on the loan. Fisker famously did exactly that. Tesla, however, had a much larger guarantee and paid it back after it's stock price rocketed up.
BTW, Elon Musk has said he would be just fine if the Electric Car credit disappeared entirely.
Subsidies are a fact of life for a lot of things in this country. You and I might not agree with it but we both directly or indirectly benefit from it. You wouldn't be enjoying airline flights if the feds hadn't created the air mail service to directly subsidize airlines. EVERY car manufacturer gets tax incentives to build car plants around the company. The entire military industrial complex is basically a socialist construct. The companies are privately owned but the feds, by in large, tell them what to build.
The space program is exactly the same thing but at least now they have adopted something similar the old air mail model which seems to be working well towards pushing us into a commercially viable space transportation system.
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Originally posted by Ruffdaddy View PostAnd your point? I think everyone already knows this, but it still has nothing to do with the concept that there will maintain a push for continued battery development.
And comparing just energy densities between batteries and hydrocarbons is stupid. Gasoline does not allow for regenerative breaking, fuel systems and the difference in motor size alone will heavily shift the comparative relationship.
Like I said, you've proven to me that you don't know what the hell you are talking about when you started popping off your stupidity on rockets. All you're doing now is reinforcing it. I can now definitively say you're full of it...youve claimed a lot of dumb shit over the years but this finally sealed the deal. You're off your rocker man.
I feel compelled to point out that you are the only person in this conversation that did not understand what I was saying about rockets. Go back a re-read what I wrote. Maybe you will get it if you say the words out loud and very slowly.Magnus, I am your father. You need to ask your mother about a man named Calvin Klein.
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Originally posted by svauto-erotic855 View PostThere is not even a theoretical model for a battery that would be even close to the energy density of any carbon fuel and there never will be.WH
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Originally posted by Gasser64 View PostThe wife's toyota car will go 300 miles on a tank of gas. Its only a small step for electrics to do that, and according to Musk, that range is a current goal.
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Originally posted by Gasser64 View PostLots of people drive trucks, which don't fare nearly as well as cars in that kind of comparison. The tesla and the leaf both have further ranges than my 87 chevy and my friend's 2009 F150. When you get into towing, that ICE range only shortens so that isn't much of a factor here either. So I have to question whether energy density is really all that much of a concern. The wife's toyota car will go 300 miles on a tank of gas. Its only a small step for electrics to do that, and according to Musk, that range is a current goal.Last edited by svauto-erotic855; 07-05-2017, 08:50 PM.Magnus, I am your father. You need to ask your mother about a man named Calvin Klein.
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