texas proposition 7

[lincolnboy]

http://movetexasforward.com/proposition-7/

propostion 7 > vote next month for Prop 7 to help road/ highways. Much needed repair /maintance to exisitng road ways. This will help on those shitty road you drive on. Texas is growing and more drivers on texas roads. It will be a long process but if Prop 7 passes, it will pave the way to better commutes.

[LANTIRN]

And cost a fortune in taxes. I know they say it won't, but it will, because it always does, because they fuckng lie.

[Sean88gt]

1. It's supported by Greg Abbott, he's a cunt.
2. It's supported by Dan Patrick, he's a formerly suicidal cunt.
3. It's supported by Joe Straus, he's a democrat-loved cunt.

Next, 18 million more people in this state in 25 years? You can fucking have it! Why is that an positive thing?

They claim Texas is $5 Billion short for roads, annually, for "unmet transportation needs" and claim this redirects $2.5B of $28B in sales tax (if collected). How can TX continue to lose $2.5B per year?
The quote is this "The shortfall includes $1 billion for existing road maintenance and $4 billion for mobility improvements." What the fuck is mobility improvement? Googling the term brings up a host of doing squats properly and helping geezers get around, but not a single word as to how it costs $4B dollars. Plus they mention another $1B for Oil and Gas roads ($6B v. their stated $5B).

In their continued math clinic, they say that there are 1.1 vehicles per citizen, and that an increase of 18 million people will result in 18,000,000 vehicles...opposed to the correct 19,800,000 vehicles using their numbers.

Oh my God, the emperor of Fucksville came down from Fucksville to give me a pass! Hey, what are the citizens of Fucksville doing today when their emperor's gone? Is it, is it mayhem? Are people lauding and raping? What are all the little fuckheads doing while you're here?

Now, if it says what they say it does, great. However, the cost of living here seems to keep increasing, and frankly, I just don't trust them, especially when it comes to road ways/toll roads, etc.

[yellowstang]

With all these stupid Texpress roads being built, the cost is all on them (Texpress), so they should take that savings and offset the other deficit.

[Broncojohnny]

The roads where I drive are fine. I'm not sure what these fucking idiots are even talking about.

[Sgt Beavis]

I've said before that I'm fine with a simple rise in the gasoline tax as long as that money is earmarked for road construction. Normally I'm against taxes but in this case we get roads in exchange. Also, toll roads end up costing each of us exponentially more money.

But right now is the time to get moving on road construction. With the commodity markets the way they currently are, raw materials are cheaper than they have been in a very long time. China was driving up the costs of steel, asphalt, concrete, etc. but they've stopped building and those prices have come crashing down. We need to take full advantage of that and get to rebuilding our infrastructure.

We all know the benefits. Roads with more capacity means less congestion, less polution, less money wasted on fuel, etc., etc., etc.

BTW, I think there will be a shift in taxation in the near future. It won't be long until the states start charging you by the mile you drive. Several states are already testing plans to track your vehicles movements so they know how much to charge you. Doesn't that just give you a warm fuzzy? There are legislators and bureaucrats in Texas that are considering this as well.

[LANTIRN]

I've said before that I'm fine with a simple rise in the gasoline tax as long as that money is earmarked for road construction. Normally I'm against taxes but in this case we get roads in exchange. Also, toll roads end up costing each of us exponentially more money.

But right now is the time to get moving on road construction. With the commodity markets the way they currently are, raw materials are cheaper than they have been in a very long time. China was driving up the costs of steel, asphalt, concrete, etc. but they've stopped building and those prices have come crashing down. We need to take full advantage of that and get to rebuilding our infrastructure.

We all know the benefits. Roads with more capacity means less congestion, less polution, less money wasted on fuel, etc., etc., etc.

BTW, I think there will be a shift in taxation in the near future. It won't be long until the states start charging you by the mile you drive. Several states are already testing plans to track your vehicles movements so they know how much to charge you. Doesn't that just give you a warm fuzzy? There are legislators and bureaucrats in Texas that are considering this as well.

I was just about to mention Texas was considering it before I made it to the end of your post. Perfect example of fuckwit politicians not thinking about the the conseqences of laws. Those idiots sure were surprised to find out mandates in higher mileage cars means less gas purchased and now they are panicking to fill the gap. I bet that per mileage tax will not be cheap for those of us who drive alot and commute. They will squeeze as much fucking money as they can out of that.

[SBFORDTECH]

With all these stupid Texpress roads being built, the cost is all on them (Texpress), so they should take that savings and offset the other deficit.

I share the same question. We have sold out to private companies who can profit from highways yet we can't even afford to maintain existing highways. None of this makes sense with what i learned in 10th grade economics class...

[Darren M]

http://movetexasforward.com/proposition-7/

propostion 7 > vote next month for Prop 7 to help road/ highways. Much needed repair /maintance to exisitng road ways. This will help on those shitty road you drive on. Texas is growing and more drivers on texas roads. It will be a long process but if Prop 7 passes, it will pave the way to better commutes.

This is a bit "self serving" don't you think? I mean, you stand to make a hefty sum from this, yes?

Haha, i have to drive in my own pot holes. If you doa good job on the subgrade there will not be potholes and more overlays. Dont drive on our ih30 project.

http://www.dfwmustangs.net/forums/showthread.php?t=62533

[Sgt Beavis]

I was just about to mention Texas was considering it before I made it to the end of your post. Perfect example of fuckwit politicians not thinking about the the conseqences of laws. Those idiots sure were surprised to find out mandates in higher mileage cars means less gas purchased and now they are panicking to fill the gap. I bet that per mileage tax will not be cheap for those of us who drive alot and commute. They will squeeze as much fucking money as they can out of that.

This is why the argument is made that the best way to increase fuel economy isn't through mileage standards like CAFE but through increased gas taxes. Even the automotive Godfather, Bob Lutz argues this.

[lincolnboy]

This says it better

It’s no secret that our population is expected to double over the next 25 years, with thousands of folks moving to Texas each month! If a conservative, long-term solutions aren’t continuously identified and supported by both our elected leaders and Texans across the state, we will continue to suffer from increased traffic, longer commutes, more toll roads, unsafe roads, dealing with expensive wear and tear on our vehicles and burdening our children and future generations with additional debt.



A mere 7.3% of the state budget is dedicated to meeting our statewide transportation needs – funds dedicated to covering the conditions of over 80,000 miles of state highways (which equates to 70% of ALL road miles on Texas highways).

On top of this, under the Texas Constitution 1/3 of all revenue from Texas highway user fees are diverted to unrelated government programs that don’t have anything to do with building and maintaining our roads. *All of this is occurring while revenues for road replacement remain static – further limiting the pool of funds to sustain Texas transportation.

To make matters worse, when we have adequately funded Texas highway projects, we have done so with a heavy reliance on debt financing – driving up our debt and passing on today’s costs to future generations of Texans:

Half of the state gasoline tax collected in the coming years will go to pay off bond debt*used to finance projects built in the previous decade.
This comes out to over $1 billion annually goes to pay off debt service

[lincolnboy]

http://www.texasfuture.com/get-the-facts/

[jimithing]

I've said before that I'm fine with a simple rise in the gasoline tax as long as that money is earmarked for road construction. Normally I'm against taxes but in this case we get roads in exchange. Also, toll roads end up costing each of us exponentially more money.

But right now is the time to get moving on road construction. With the commodity markets the way they currently are, raw materials are cheaper than they have been in a very long time. China was driving up the costs of steel, asphalt, concrete, etc. but they've stopped building and those prices have come crashing down. We need to take full advantage of that and get to rebuilding our infrastructure.

We all know the benefits. Roads with more capacity means less congestion, less polution, less money wasted on fuel, etc., etc., etc.

BTW, I think there will be a shift in taxation in the near future. It won't be long until the states start charging you by the mile you drive. Several states are already testing plans to track your vehicles movements so they know how much to charge you. Doesn't that just give you a warm fuzzy? There are legislators and bureaucrats in Texas that are considering this as well.

Wonder how charging per mileage would work for all the 18 wheelers. So many of them going up and down 35 aren't even registered in Texas so they have no way to really track how many miles those people are traveling. Wouldn't surprise me a bit if some idiot proposed a bill that would track and charge individuals but exclude commercial vehicles.

[bcoop]

Why would anyone in their right mind vote for an increase in taxes when they have repeatedly shown the money they receive gets diverted to other causes, and they can't prove that the money they do spend on roads is spent efficiently?

[Sean88gt]

Wonder how charging per mileage would work for all the 18 wheelers. So many of them going up and down 35 aren't even registered in Texas so they have no way to really track how many miles those people are traveling. Wouldn't surprise me a bit if some idiot proposed a bill that would track and charge individuals but exclude commercial vehicles.

IFTA. It's like...someone thought of this years ago!