Houston deputy gunned down while fueling in uniform

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I think the 2nd amendment thing is clouding the conversation. Unions exist for a reason, and are applicable in certain industries.

When I was in yankeeland (Minnesota) visiting Fitzwell, I had a conversation with a guy that has been a newspaper reporter for almost 20 years. Unfortunate state of that industry notwithstanding, he told me that he wished he had gone to work for the local grocery chain stocking frozen food so he could get his pension at 47. It made me sick. Work a mindless mouth breather job for 30 years or do something rewarding? Seems like a no brainer to me.

Unions serve a purpose, but they breed apathy in career choices.

[CexMashean]

A yankee from Minnesota killed the deputy with cans of groceries while defending his 2nd amendment?

[46Tbird]

You have also had the opportunity to catch/ride a well timed wave in technological advance. Which is awesome.

there is an ever-elusive happy medium between slave wages and fairyland utopian rainbow stew for those who aren't as intelligent as people like you.

Had an IT consultant at our company a few years ago. My company liked him and made him an offer, which he immediately turned down. He knew they would come back with another offer and he was right. This happened a few times. He finally accepted when they threw all kinds of bonuses and stock options at him. He worked with us for six months and then left to make more money, ha.

He told me once, "Don't be a wage slave. Be a wage mercenary. If you have good skills, don't take less than you're worth just to keep a check coming in."

That really resonated with me. For years I watched my dad go broke while doing incredible car restoration work that gave his boss a baller lifestyle. The situation was pretty fucked up, but then again my dad never did anything about it.

Oh wait, we were talking about a cop getting murdered by a racist, carry on...

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A yankee from Minnesota killed the deputy with cans of groceries while defending his 2nd amendment?

Yeah, this could (should) definitely be it's own thread.

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Dolla dolla bills y'all.

[Broncojohnny]

Had an IT consultant at our company a few years ago. My company liked him and made him an offer, which he immediately turned down. He knew they would come back with another offer and he was right. This happened a few times. He finally accepted when they threw all kinds of bonuses and stock options at him. He worked with us for six months and then left to make more money, ha.

He told me once, "Don't be a wage slave. Be a wage mercenary. If you have good skills, don't take less than you're worth just to keep a check coming in."

That really resonated with me. For years I watched my dad go broke while doing incredible car restoration work that gave his boss a baller lifestyle. The situation was pretty fucked up, but then again my dad never did anything about it.

Oh wait, we were talking about a cop getting murdered by a racist, carry on...

This is exactly correct. Make them pay you what you want. Unionized labor tries to do the same but only succeeds in sheltering lazy fucks.

[abecx]

there is an ever-elusive happy medium between slave wages and fairyland utopian rainbow stew for those who aren't as intelligent as people like you.

While I appreciate this comment and I have heard it a lot, but I don't think or feel I am any more intelligent than my peers, maybe a little more harder working and ability to put the companies needs ahead of my own needs ( aka I will do what I'm asked even if I disagree and have argued my point ). I always feel the difference between what I make and others, is they simply aren't asking for it. They live in a world where they put a cap on themselves because they are too scared to lose what they have and the only difference from me is I ask and fight for it.

'We sit in the house, and slowly the world we are living in is getting smaller, and all we say is, 'Please, at least leave us alone in our living rooms. Let me have my toaster and my TV and my steel-belted radials and I won't say anything. Just leave us alone.'

[Tremor14]

This is exactly correct. Make them pay you what you want. Unionized labor tries to do the same but only succeeds in sheltering lazy fucks.

to a degree, but i only know of a few hands that i have worked with who only receive the standard journeyman pay scale, if you are worth a fuck you negotiate your own pay.

[Jose]

Wow this thread got derailed fairly quickly.

[Forever_frost]

the right for people to band together to request more money/better working conditions no longer exists because working conditions and pay scale are "pretty decent these days"?

should we get rid of the right to keep and bear arms because the Brits are no longer lobbing cannon balls at the shore line?

the reason we don't need unions is because we have them...

same way we don't need the 2nd amendment because we have it...

is that such an enormously flawed leap in logic?

can I get a weigh-in from some braniac types? I'll take my spanking if I've earned it

The right to keep and bear arms is based on a natural right of self defense. The Founders enshrined that to remove a tyrannous government.

Unions however, have no right to exist. They enter private property and tell the owner that the owner may no longer deal directly with the employees they hired but must pay the union rep to represent the workers in a factory that the union had no investment in, is not responsible for keeping running and offers no capital to run it.

Under what right does a third party enter private property and make demands of the owner under penalty of shutting down their business?

[Cooter]

unions were born out of rebellion against what amounted to "civilized slavery"

I've never been in a union. I've seen the idiocracy they're capable of producing. I've never really had want or need to be in a union.

I'm just playing devil's advocate because it's more fun at the moment than stirring the race-war cauldron that we're supposed to be swimming in according to every media outlet.

Now... if the media starts talking about unions, I'll probably just start doing this:

[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g37HT4-EtzE[/ame]

[CexMashean]

Cartman shot the deputy over union talks?

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Cartman shot the deputy over union talks?

Cartman shot the sheriff, he didn't shoot no deputy.

[mstng86]

Cartman shot the sheriff, he didn't shoot no deputy.

I shot the sheriff, but I didn't shoot the deputy.

[CexMashean]

Wait, the sheriff was shot too? Was that mstng86, cartman, or the unions who shot him over their 2nd amendment?