Houston deputy gunned down while fueling in uniform

[zachary]

So which major department / city will be the first to strike or stage walk outs and martial law be set in by the military?

[zachary]

What are we at 5-6 dead in Tx and LA combined in 2 weeks? Cops get more edgy and defensive (rightfully so) more shootings take place, more retaliation shootings happen....i could definitely see it

[abecx]

How did this thread go from a guy shooting a deputy to lifting pipe, I gave some effort in trying to figure that out and am still lost.

[abecx]

is someone pulling the race card again?

[Tremor14]

carry on

[abecx]

I'm actually more interested in the new line of conversation, I believe in peoples right to make more money, but I dont believe in Unions, I believe you get as much as you are willing to fight for.

[Captain Crawfish]

Hope and change fading! Instead of dancing in the streets they will be rioting

[Cooter]

I dont believe in Unions, I believe you get as much as you are willing to fight for.

Do you have any idea how many people died while trying to form unions?

[abecx]

Do you have any idea how many people died while trying to form unions?

Yes, I feel I understand why they were created, its just harder to see their value today. I've read many horror stories about the steel wars, but when I hear about unions for say the postal service, it blows my mind. They receive many protections that are well above and beyond what any company should have to deal with.

I get the money side of it too. The organization of the workers side has helped people in sports make a ton of money, actors and their writers and satellite talent ( prop designers, casters, etc ) and many other professions get what they are entitled to. But a lot of these things are more vested if the individual gets them.

For example, I get called by recruiters here in Dallas often and I listen to them pitch their job, I turn them down once they get to salary and they ask what I'm looking for and I tell them what I make now and they get flabbergasted. I dont say this to brag, but because I want to help raise the value of other talent and I feel other talent that is of my level should be doing the same thing, not trying to beg to get a job at the base salary.

The problem I have with Unions is when I see jobs that shouldnt pay $80k a year that should be automated and replaced. I see them as more of a stifle on progression than a perpetuation of money.

As I am typing this out, I realize I shouldn't promote this as an Us vs Them mentality on either part as I want whats fair for employees to a maximum degree, I just feel Unions ask for too much beyond that.

[bcoop]

Do you have any idea how many people died while trying to form unions?

I'm not sure what that has to do with whether unions have outlived their usefulness or not.

[Rick Modena]

This is really fucked up. A LEO getting shot while filling his car? Un-fucking believable...

[CexMashean]

Good thing he wasn't Plano PD!

[Cooter]

I'm not sure what that has to do with whether unions have outlived their usefulness or not.

has the 2nd amendment?

[The King]

How did this thread go from a guy shooting a deputy to lifting pipe, I gave some effort in trying to figure that out and am still lost.

Since the subject of unions has been introduced, some input from the dearly departed Choo$$$$Choo$$$$ guys would have been extremely informative.

[abecx]

I'm not sure what that has to do with whether unions have outlived their usefulness or not.

I think unions are still around for the same reasons that they formed originally, employers taking ridiculous advantage of employees. Maybe not to the same level of degree as it once was, but its still an issue. However, I am more apt to put that on the person and not the company at this point at least in the cases I have been through in my life.