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    • Originally posted by Tremor14 View Post
      i read it twice
      It was so nice.

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      • Like OMG, you mean the gossip queens and social media had it wrong! Everybody wants to know what happened right now, regardless of if it is the truth or not. Also it is a automatic witch hunt on the police lately. Articles that don't fit their agenda don't have all the catch words and inflammatory headlines. Who knows how this will all play out in the end, but it damn sure wasn't just a bunch of cops randomly shooting into the crowd people just running for their lives from a fist fight.
        Whos your Daddy?

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        • Originally posted by kingjason View Post
          Like OMG, you mean the gossip queens and social media had it wrong! Everybody wants to know what happened right now, regardless of if it is the truth or not. Also it is a automatic witch hunt on the police lately. Articles that don't fit their agenda don't have all the catch words and inflammatory headlines. Who knows how this will all play out in the end, but it damn sure wasn't just a bunch of cops randomly shooting into the crowd people just running for their lives from a fist fight.
          A cop turned me into a newt once.... but I got better.

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          • Originally posted by kingjason View Post
            Like OMG, you mean the gossip queens and social media had it wrong! Everybody wants to know what happened right now, regardless of if it is the truth or not. Also it is a automatic witch hunt on the police lately. Articles that don't fit their agenda don't have all the catch words and inflammatory headlines. Who knows how this will all play out in the end, but it damn sure wasn't just a bunch of cops randomly shooting into the crowd people just running for their lives from a fist fight.
            i like you but.. how can you detain 177 people on a $1MM bond, then say, haha, lol sorry guys, 144 of you can go, a month later, after your faces have been plastered all over CNN, and your job? yeah, no. go find another. That narrative is still from the police, who will flex it to cover their ass any way possible.

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            • You know what I wonder?
              Last edited by Gasser64; 06-21-2015, 03:22 PM.
              WH

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              • Originally posted by Tremor14 View Post
                i like you but.. how can you detain 177 people on a $1MM bond, then say, haha, lol sorry guys, 144 of you can go, a month later, after your faces have been plastered all over CNN, and your job? yeah, no. go find another. That narrative is still from the police, who will flex it to cover their ass any way possible.
                I believe they detained them on engaging in organized criminal activity. Have you read that all encompassing law? I wasn't there, I have no clue about what actually went down, and what the process was. I can only imagine it was a giant cluster fuck and difficult thing to work. I was just mainly commenting on how fast everybody jumped to the police shot a bunch of random people with no weapons in the parking lot. Hey I get it, public opinion sways hard back and forth these days. It is what it is.

                For your reading pleasure.

                Sec. 71.01. DEFINITIONS. In this chapter,

                (a) "Combination" means three or more persons who collaborate in carrying on criminal activities, although:

                (1) participants may not know each other's identity;

                (2) membership in the combination may change from time to time; and

                (3) participants may stand in a wholesaler-retailer or other arm's-length relationship in illicit distribution operations.

                (b) "Conspires to commit" means that a person agrees with one or more persons that they or one or more of them engage in conduct that would constitute the offense and that person and one or more of them perform an overt act in pursuance of the agreement. An agreement constituting conspiring to commit may be inferred from the acts of the parties.

                (c) "Profits" means property constituting or derived from any proceeds obtained, directly or indirectly, from an offense listed in Section 71.02.

                (d) "Criminal street gang" means three or more persons having a common identifying sign or symbol or an identifiable leadership who continuously or regularly associate in the commission of criminal activities.


                Added by Acts 1977, 65th Leg., p. 922, ch. 346, Sec. 1, eff. June 10, 1977. Amended by Acts 1989, 71st Leg., ch. 782, Sec. 1, eff. Sept. 1, 1989; Acts 1991, 72nd Leg., ch. 555, Sec. 1, eff. Sept. 1, 1991; Acts 1993, 73rd Leg., ch. 900, Sec. 1.01, eff. Sept. 1, 1994; Acts 1995, 74th Leg., ch. 318, Sec. 23, eff. Sept. 1, 1995.





                This section was amended by the 84th Legislature. Pending publication of the current statutes, see H.B. 11, 84th Legislature, Regular Session, for amendments affecting this section.


                Sec. 71.02. ENGAGING IN ORGANIZED CRIMINAL ACTIVITY.

                (a) A person commits an offense if, with the intent to establish, maintain, or participate in a combination or in the profits of a combination or as a member of a criminal street gang, the person commits or conspires to commit one or more of the following:

                (1) murder, capital murder, arson, aggravated robbery, robbery, burglary, theft, aggravated kidnapping, kidnapping, aggravated assault, aggravated sexual assault, sexual assault, continuous sexual abuse of young child or children, solicitation of a minor, forgery, deadly conduct, assault punishable as a Class A misdemeanor, burglary of a motor vehicle, or unauthorized use of a motor vehicle;

                (2) any gambling offense punishable as a Class A misdemeanor;

                (3) promotion of prostitution, aggravated promotion of prostitution, or compelling prostitution;

                (4) unlawful manufacture, transportation, repair, or sale of firearms or prohibited weapons;

                (5) unlawful manufacture, delivery, dispensation, or distribution of a controlled substance or dangerous drug, or unlawful possession of a controlled substance or dangerous drug through forgery, fraud, misrepresentation, or deception;

                (5-a) causing the unlawful delivery, dispensation, or distribution of a controlled substance or dangerous drug in violation of Subtitle B, Title 3, Occupations Code;

                (6) any unlawful wholesale promotion or possession of any obscene material or obscene device with the intent to wholesale promote the same;

                (7) any offense under Subchapter B, Chapter 43, depicting or involving conduct by or directed toward a child younger than 18 years of age;

                (8) any felony offense under Chapter 32;

                (9) any offense under Chapter 36;

                (10) any offense under Chapter 34, 35, or 35A;

                (11) any offense under Section 37.11(a);

                (12) any offense under Chapter 20A;

                (13) any offense under Section 37.10;

                (14) any offense under Section 38.06, 38.07, 38.09, or 38.11;

                (15) any offense under Section 42.10;

                (16) any offense under Section 46.06(a)(1) or 46.14;

                (17) any offense under Section 20.05; or

                (18) any offense classified as a felony under the Tax Code.

                (b) Except as provided in Subsections (c) and (d), an offense under this section is one category higher than the most serious offense listed in Subsection (a) that was committed, and if the most serious offense is a Class A misdemeanor, the offense is a state jail felony, except that the offense is a felony of the first degree punishable by imprisonment in the Texas Department of Criminal Justice for:

                (1) life without parole, if the most serious offense is an aggravated sexual assault and if at the time of that offense the defendant is 18 years of age or older and:

                (A) the victim of the offense is younger than six years of age;

                (B) the victim of the offense is younger than 14 years of age and the actor commits the offense in a manner described by Section 22.021(a)(2)(A); or

                (C) the victim of the offense is younger than 17 years of age and suffered serious bodily injury as a result of the offense; or

                (2) life or for any term of not more than 99 years or less than 15 years if the most serious offense is an offense punishable as a felony of the first degree, other than an offense described by Subdivision (1).

                (c) Conspiring to commit an offense under this section is of the same degree as the most serious offense listed in Subsection (a) that the person conspired to commit.

                (d) At the punishment stage of a trial, the defendant may raise the issue as to whether in voluntary and complete renunciation of the offense he withdrew from the combination before commission of an offense listed in Subsection (a) and made substantial effort to prevent the commission of the offense. If the defendant proves the issue in the affirmative by a preponderance of the evidence the offense is the same category of offense as the most serious offense listed in Subsection (a) that is committed, unless the defendant is convicted of conspiring to commit the offense, in which event the offense is one category lower than the most serious offense that the defendant conspired to commit.
                Whos your Daddy?

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                • And within 24 hours of arrest, they were arraigned on the charges and bail set. That means a Judge reviewed the charges and determined that probable cause existed to hold these people.
                  I don't know what happened either, but at least some Judge has looked at the paperwork and given the preliminary OK to hold these people

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                  • Innocent bystanders who were falsely imprisoned in Waco should, in general, expect to be compensated in the amount of about $2 million each or about $350 million in total. That amount, or something greater, will be realized in a class action lawsuit. Attorneys can expect to claim between one third and one half of that amount – somewhere between $100 million and $175 million, which is at least enough to satisfy a dream team of the smartest and meanest lawyers in all the land.
                    just because they can doesnt mean they should.

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                    • Originally posted by Tremor14 View Post
                      just because they can doesnt mean they should.
                      Same could be said about their lawsuits.

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                      • Originally posted by kingjason View Post
                        Like OMG, you mean the gossip queens and social media had it wrong! Everybody wants to know what happened right now, regardless of if it is the truth or not. Also it is a automatic witch hunt on the police lately. Articles that don't fit their agenda don't have all the catch words and inflammatory headlines. Who knows how this will all play out in the end, but it damn sure wasn't just a bunch of cops randomly shooting into the crowd people just running for their lives from a fist fight.
                        Where may I find constitutional authority to seize property without due process of law and a conviction? How is asset forfeiture constitutional?
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                        • Originally posted by Forever_frost View Post
                          Where may I find constitutional authority to seize property without due process of law and a conviction? How is asset forfeiture constitutional?
                          In Texas, that would be Chapter 59 of the Texas Code of Criminal Procedure.

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                          • Originally posted by dcs13 View Post
                            In Texas, that would be Chapter 59 of the Texas Code of Criminal Procedure.
                            No state law may violate the US Constitution. Seizing property without due process or conviction is unconstitutional seizure of property.
                            I wear a Fez. Fez-es are cool

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                            • Originally posted by Forever_frost View Post
                              No state law may violate the US Constitution. Seizing property without due process or conviction is unconstitutional seizure of property.
                              Civil matter

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                              • Originally posted by David View Post
                                Civil matter
                                No, it's not. If you seize property, the constitution is clear.


                                Amendment IV

                                The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.

                                I don't see an exemption for civil matters.
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