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  • No thread on the Germanwings A320 copilot that augered in on purpose?!

    Happened yesterday, but details are still coming out

    Cliff's Notes:
    Pilot steps out of cockpit (bathroom break?)
    Coipilot locks the cockpit door (overriding key pad)
    Does not allow pilot to reenter

    Pilot knocks
    Pilot knocks louder
    Pilot starts banging

    Copilot heads to Earth

    Passengers can be heard screaming on the voice recorder as the plane went down.
    Copilot was totally silent, except for breathing, while killing 150 people.



    Germanwings plane crash: Co-pilot 'wanted to destroy plane'

    The co-pilot of the Germanwings flight that crashed in the French Alps, named as Andreas Lubitz, appeared to want to "destroy the plane", officials said.

    Marseille prosecutor Brice Robin, citing information from the "black box" voice recorder, said the co-pilot was alone in the cockpit. He intentionally started a descent while the pilot was locked out. Mr Robin said there was "absolute silence in the cockpit" as the pilot fought to re-enter it.

    He said air traffic controllers made repeated attempts to contact the aircraft, but to no avail. Passengers could be heard screaming just before the crash, he added. Details are emerging of the German co-pilot's past - although his apparent motives for causing the crash remain a mystery.



    Mr Lubitz, 28, had undergone intensive training and "was 100% fit to fly without any caveats", according to Carsten Spohr, the head of Lufthansa, the German carrier that owns Germanwings. Mr Spohr said Mr Lubitz's training had been interrupted for several months six years ago, but was resumed after "the suitability of the candidate was re-established".

    German Chancellor Angela Merkel told reporters that the co-pilot's apparent actions had given the tragedy a "new, simply incomprehensible dimension". Police have been searching the co-pilot's home for evidence, German prosecutors told the Reuters news agency.

    The Airbus 320 from Barcelona to Duesseldorf hit a mountain, killing all 144 passengers and six crew, after an eight-minute descent.

    "We hear the pilot ask the co-pilot to take control of the plane and we hear at the same time the sound of a seat moving backwards and the sound of a door closing," Mr Robin told reporters. He said the pilot, named in the German media as Patrick S, had probably gone to the toilet. "At that moment, the co-pilot is controlling the plane by himself. While he is alone, the co-pilot presses the buttons of the flight monitoring system to put into action the descent of the aeroplane.




    "He operated this button for a reason we don't know yet, but it appears that the reason was to destroy this plane." Mr Lubitz was alive until the final impact, the prosecutor said. Mr Robin said "the most plausible interpretation" was that the co-pilot had deliberately barred the pilot from re-entering the cockpit. He added that the co-pilot was "not known by us" to have any links to extremism or terrorism.
    Analysis: Richard Westcott, BBC transport correspondent

    The focus now moves from the mechanics to the man flying the plane. An accident expert has told me the investigators will pore over the co-pilot's background and that of his family too. Did he owe money? Was there a grudge? They'll look at his religion, whether he was in trouble with the law, whether he had a stable love life. This kind of event is rare but it has happened before, although the reasons vary widely.

    After 9/11, they made cockpits impregnable. It keeps the terrorists out, but in the end it also allows someone to keep their colleagues out too. Airlines have to make a call. Which is the bigger threat - terrorism or suicide? Passengers were not aware of the impending crash "until the very last moment" when screams could be heard, Mr Robin said, adding that they died instantly.

    Meanwhile, relatives and friends of the victims are due to visit the area of the crash. Many expressed anger and alarm after the likely cause of the crash emerged. "One person can't have the right to end the lives of hundreds of people and families," Esteban Rodriguez, a Spanish factory worker who lost two friends aboard the aircraft, told the Associated Press news agency.

    The principal of a German high school that lost 16 students and two teachers in the crash said the latest news was "much, much worse than we had thought". Residents of Alpine villages near the scene of the crash have also expressed shock. "For the pilot it's suicide, perhaps, but it's an attack on the other people. Yes, an attack," Charles Bosshardt, a mountain risk adviser, said. "It's horrible, there are no words."

    Lufthansa has arranged two special flights for families and friends on Thursday - one from Barcelona and one from Duesseldorf - to Marseille, and both groups will travel on by road. Separately, some relatives who did not want to fly are travelling by bus from Barcelona.

    The second "black box" - that records flight data - has still not been found.
    Last edited by Strychnine; 03-26-2015, 12:41 PM.

  • #2
    Whats the deal? Are flight crews going to have to be psych evaluated more frequently?

    Seems there's a rise in doomed voyages and wacko flight crews.

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    • #3
      I bet someone in the biometrics industry is about to land a big deal.

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      • #4
        Originally posted by Baba Ganoush View Post
        Whats the deal? Are flight crews going to have to be psych evaluated more frequently?

        Seems there's a rise in doomed voyages and wacko flight crews.
        Yep. All the more reason not to fly. Guess I will just stick to vacations on the North American continent where I can drive.
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        • #5
          Originally posted by LANTIRN View Post
          Yep. All the more reason not to fly. Guess I will just stick to vacations on the North American continent where I can drive.
          Where you have to deal with drunk drivers and sleeping big rig drivers.
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          • #6
            Originally posted by mk5.0 View Post
            Where you have to deal with drunk drivers and sleeping big rig drivers.
            I'll take those odds over a 38000' fall any day.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by LANTIRN View Post
              Yep. All the more reason not to fly. Guess I will just stick to vacations on the North American continent where I can drive.
              Originally posted by lowthreeohz View Post
              I'll take those odds over a 38000' fall any day.
              Apparently, math is not your forte.
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              • #8
                Originally posted by lowthreeohz View Post
                I bet someone in the biometrics industry is about to land a big deal.
                Doubtful.

                That can be overcome rather easily by lifting/gaining said bio-metric pattern or simply incapacitating the person and using them to gain access.

                The problem here was that there is not a two-person in the cockpit policy in place outside of the U.S. That is a HUGE problem and it showed itself here. This guy was able to completely lock out the pilot despite there being a key-code on the cockpit door via a toggle-switch override that can be repeatedly engaged after the 5 minute time-limit has lapsed.

                A lot of these problems have arisen simply out of the fact that companies don't think about this stuff and don't want to spend the extra money to implement additional safety measures until something like this happens. They are extremely reactionary and unfortunately that costs people their lives.
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                • #9
                  Originally posted by lowthreeohz View Post
                  I'll take those odds over a 38000' fall any day.
                  I'm with you. I had to get on a plane coming back from Jamaica the day of the MH370 flight. I was scared shitless the entire time.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by 46Tbird View Post
                    Apparently, math is not your forte.
                    If you're referring to the odds of dying in flight vs a car crash, I understand. But I also like the idea of having at least a slim chance of survival via reaction, instead of being completely dependent on the (suicidal?) Pilot flying me around

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                    • #11
                      I hate flying but it beats the fuck out of driving on any road trip over 4-hrs(ish)

                      I always get on the plane first, I sit in the front row behind the bulkhead and I dirty look EVERY man, woman and child as they enter the plane. They need to know that taking over my plane is going to come with a fight to the death!
                      Originally posted by Silverback
                      Look all you want, she can't find anyone else who treats her as bad as I do, and I keep her self esteem so low, she wouldn't think twice about going anywhere else.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Rick Modena View Post
                        I hate flying but it beats the fuck out of driving on any road trip over 4-hrs(ish)

                        I always get on the plane first, I sit in the front row behind the bulkhead and I dirty look EVERY man, woman and child as they enter the plane. They need to know that taking over my plane is going to come with a fight to the death!
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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Denny View Post
                          Don't lie... not EVERY woman.
                          You know me too well, Dennis...
                          Originally posted by Silverback
                          Look all you want, she can't find anyone else who treats her as bad as I do, and I keep her self esteem so low, she wouldn't think twice about going anywhere else.

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                          • #14
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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by lowthreeohz View Post
                              I'll take those odds over a 38000' fall any day.
                              No kidding. At least I somewhat have control, unlike these poor souls.

                              Originally posted by RabidJackal View Post
                              Doubtful.

                              That can be overcome rather easily by lifting/gaining said bio-metric pattern or simply incapacitating the person and using them to gain access.

                              The problem here was that there is not a two-person in the cockpit policy in place outside of the U.S. That is a HUGE problem and it showed itself here. This guy was able to completely lock out the pilot despite there being a key-code on the cockpit door via a toggle-switch override that can be repeatedly engaged after the 5 minute time-limit has lapsed.

                              A lot of these problems have arisen simply out of the fact that companies don't think about this stuff and don't want to spend the extra money to implement additional safety measures until something like this happens. They are extremely reactionary and unfortunately that costs people their lives.
                              So, just curious, US domestic flights have to have 2 people in the cockpit at all times during the flight?
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