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  • Expired Registration in Victoria, Texas? Time to tackle a 76 year old man.

    And the vehicle had dealer tags, which makes it exempt... Officer was obviously just trying to go home to his family..





    A Victoria police officer is under investigation after a 76-year-old man accused him of using excessive force during a traffic stop.

    The officer, Nathanial Robinson, 23, was placed on administrative duty Friday pending the outcome of an internal investigation into whether he violated the use of force policy when he tased Victoria resident Pete Vasquez, said Chief J.J. Craig. The officer was hired after graduating from the police academy two years ago.

    The incident happened Thursday after Robinson saw an expired inspection sticker on the car Vasquez was driving back to Adam's Auto Mart, 2801 N. Laurent St., where he helps with mechanical work.

    Vasquez got out of the car, which is owned by the car lot, attempting to get the manager. He pointed out to the officer the dealer tags on the back of the car, which would make it exempt from having an inspection.

    Police dashboard camera video shows Robinson arresting Vasquez for the expired sticker.

    When the officer first grabbed Vasquez's arm, the older man pulled it away. Robinson then pushed Vasquez down on the hood of the police cruiser. The two fell out of the camera's video frame, but police said the officer used the Taser on Vasquez twice while he was on the ground.

    "He just acted like a pit bull, and that was it," Vasquez said. "For a while, I thought he was going to pull his gun and shoot me."

    Vasquez was handcuffed, placed in the back of the police cruiser and taken to Citizens Medical Center, where he remained in police custody for two hours.

    Craig said the police department's dash cam footage "raises some concerns."

    He decided to open the investigation after viewing the footage and has personally apologized to Vasquez for the incident.

    "Public trust is extremely important to us," Craig said. "Sometimes that means you have to take a real hard look at some of the actions that occur within the department."

    The internal investigation also will examine the details of the arrest. Driving with an expired inspection sticker is a Class C misdemeanor, typically addressed with a citation. Because Vasquez was driving a car with dealer tags, the car was exempt, Craig confirmed. Vasquez was released from the hospital without being cited.

    If the investigation finds Robinson violated the use of force policy, his possible punishment ranges from a letter of reprimand to suspension without pay or termination, Craig said.

    District Attorney Stephen Tyler said he has not been contacted by police about the case or seen the video.

    First, authorities must determine whether criminal wrongdoing, moral wrongdoing or a policy violation occurred.

    Possible charges include official oppression, injury to elderly, aggravated assault and assault, he said.

    Tyler said the incident was bad timing given the headlines dominating national news, but said Victoria isn't Ferguson, Mo., or New York.

    "You want to make sure you give the right kind of person a badge and a gun," he said.

    Larry Urich, a 62-year-old sales manager at the car lot, said watching the scuffle unfold made him sick. He said he wanted the officer fired and prosecuted for excessive use of force and causing bodily harm to an elderly person.

    "I told the officer, 'What in the hell are you doing?' This gentleman is 76 years old," Urich said. "The cop told me to stand back, but I didn't shut up. I told him he was a g-------- Nazi Stormtrooper."

    Urich followed behind the police car that drove Vasquez to the hospital and waited until his friend was released.

    "There should have been an ambulance called for this elderly gentleman," Urich said. "He should not have been handcuffed to go to the emergency room when he had not done anything wrong."

    Through it all, Urich said, he feels sorry for the officer.

    "He's probably a good family man, but you don't treat people like that," Urich said. "I don't see how in the world anyone would think he should keep his job after that."

    A day after the incident, Vasquez said he still had body aches and expected it would be a few days before he healed.

    "I feel like my rights were violated," he said. "The police department is supposed to train their police officers to be more conscientious and use common sense. I don't think he had any."

    Craig said he hired the officer "because he was a very good candidate," but he also felt obliged to talk to Vasquez in person to apologize for the incident.

    Vasquez said he appreciated the conversation with the chief.

    "He didn't want me to think that all policemen are like that," Vasquez said. "I said he's got a lot to do to prove to me that."

    A Victoria police officer is under investigation after a 76-year-old man accused him of using excessive force during a traffic stop.

  • #2
    Cop needs to be made an example of. Looks like a good reason cops shouldn't be hired until they hit 30. Gives time to get the stupid bullshit out of their system.

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    • #3
      I wonder what was said between them?

      The pig had a good taste in music.

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      • #4
        Interesting. They were a customer of mine until we had an area reorganization.
        "If I asked people what they wanted, they would have said faster horses." - Henry Ford

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        • #5
          Originally posted by Craizie View Post
          The pig had a good taste in music.
          Yeah, meant to say something about that as well.. LOL

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          • #6
            Obviously this guy is guilty of DWB and knowing more about the law than the person supposed to uphold it. Shouldn't it be the other way around?

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            • #7
              Originally posted by Roscoe View Post
              Cop needs to be made an example of. Looks like a good reason cops shouldn't be hired until they hit 30. Gives time to get the stupid bullshit out of their system.

              Funny, I was thinking 23 was pretty young to have that much authority, and when I starting thinking of a good age, I also came up with 30. Probably not very practical though. Maybe we should give them the benefit of the doubt at 28?

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              • #8
                But then nobody would take the job!
                "If I asked people what they wanted, they would have said faster horses." - Henry Ford

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by talisman View Post
                  Funny, I was thinking 23 was pretty young to have that much authority, and when I starting thinking of a good age, I also came up with 30. Probably not very practical though. Maybe we should give them the benefit of the doubt at 28?
                  25 at a minimum. I saw his age and had to double take...

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                  • #10
                    Riding around listening to "Fuck the Police" got him all amped up. Can someone forward his address to 4chan, or a local gang, or something?

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Baron Von Crowder View Post
                      But then nobody would take the job!

                      All the people who work for the DEA should hopefully be looking for jobs soon, so I'm sure we can bridge the gap.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by talisman View Post
                        And the vehicle had dealer tags, which makes it exempt... Officer was obviously just trying to go home to his family..
                        DEALER AND CONVERTER
                        PLATES & TEMPORARY
                        TAGS
                        One of the privileges of having a dealer or
                        converter’s license is the ability to use metal
                        plates on your inventory vehicles. One of the
                        responsibilities of a licensee is to make sure
                        plates are accounted for at all times. Also,
                        knowing the different rules for the different
                        tags will make life simpler for you and your
                        customer. Failure to abide by these rules will
                        subject a licensee to civil penalties. This
                        brochure outlines the main requirements for
                        dealers and converters who use metal plates
                        and temporary tags.
                        METAL DEALER PLATES
                        Metal dealer plates are to be placed only on
                        those vehicles that are in a dealer’s inventory.
                        They cannot be used on any vehicle that a
                        dealer is not licensed to sell. Converters may
                        place metal plates on any type vehicle they are
                        engaged in the business of assembling or
                        modifying. The vehicle must have a current
                        inspection.
                        The title must be assigned or
                        registered in the licensee’s name. The plates
                        must be displayed in the license plate holder.
                        Signs cannot be displayed on the vehicle.
                        Plates may not be used on a vehicle carrying a
                        load or on service or work vehicles. Vehicles
                        with metal plates can be used for personal
                        business.
                        Most importantly, licensees are required to
                        keep a log of all metal plates issued to them.
                        The log must identify the metal plate number;
                        the make of the vehicle; the vehicle
                        identification number; and the name of the
                        person in control of the vehicle. Any plates
                        not in use must be kept in a secure place.
                        E-TAGS
                        With the advent of Vision 21 (V21), dealers
                        and converters are required by law to have
                        Internet access at their place of business in
                        order to issue temporary tags. Specific
                        numbers for temporary tags are obtained
                        from V21 and tags are issued by the licensee
                        either by printing out images from V21 or
                        copying the number and forms from the
                        images on the computer screen. All tags will
                        have a unique number assigned to them by
                        the V21 database. When the licensee logs on
                        to V21 and receives the number after filling in
                        the vehicle and buyer information, the
                        number will be logged or recorded on V21 in
                        a manner that will allow a licensee to locate
                        the tag at any given time. Licensees have the
                        ability to void tags, reprint tags if necessary
                        and to manage tags by running reports from
                        V21 on their own tag activity. All dealers must
                        use the electronic tag feature and all sales
                        must have an e-tag produced.
                        All current licensed dealers and converters
                        qualify for a user ID and password to access
                        V21. For more detailed information about
                        Vision 21 and E-tags see the TxDOT website
                        at www.dmv.tx.gov.
                        DEALER/CONVERTER TEMPORARY TAGS
                        The dealer or converter temporary tag is an
                        “in-transit” tag. It is used for demonstration
                        drives; transporting vehicles for repair,
                        reconditioning; transporting vehicles to or
                        from the auction or another dealer; or driving
                        vehicles in parades.
                        The dealer and converter temporary tags may
                        be used on vehicles that do not have a current
                        inspection sticker. The title of the vehicle
                        must be assigned or registered to the licensee.
                        Unlike the metal plate, a vehicle displaying a
                        dealer or converter tag may not be used for
                        personal use, no matter how seemingly
                        innocent. Also, like the metal plate, signs may
                        not be displayed on a vehicle with a dealer or
                        converter tag.
                        There are two types of dealer temporary tags.
                        A tag may be assigned to an agent, such as a
                        salesman or transport agent or to a particular
                        vehicle. The dealer may assign an expiration
                        date from one to sixty days on any dealer
                        temporary tag. Any number of tags may be
                        assigned to any agent or to any vehicle, but
                        only one tag may be assigned to any specific
                        vehicle at a time.
                        BUYER’S TEMPORARY TAG
                        The temporary buyer’s tag is only used on
                        vehicles that are sold to a retail purchaser and
                        is good for 21 calendar days. The vehicle
                        must have a current inspection.
                        Unlike the
                        metal plate and dealer temporary tags, a retail
                        consumer can display signs and carry a load in
                        a vehicle with a buyer’s tag.
                        INTERNET DOWN TAGS
                        These are special tag numbers that dealers are
                        allowed to print out in advance and hold for
                        emergency situations such as the Internet
                        going down. These tags must be kept secured
                        Whos your Daddy?

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                        • #13
                          Well, that totally justifies the overuse of force...

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Sean88gt View Post
                            Well, that totally justifies the overuse of force...
                            Fixed....

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                            • #15
                              You're right. Law breakers should all be treated equally.

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