mike brown vs. eric garner

[46Tbird]

"A person acts with criminal negligence with
respect to a result or to a circumstance described by a statute defining
an offense when he fails to perceive a substantial and unjustifiable
risk that such result will occur or that such circumstance exists. The
risk must be of such nature and degree that the failure to perceive it
constitutes a gross deviation from the standard of care that a
reasonable person would observe in the situation."

That definition could not have been written any better to demonstrate that this cop is (at least) criminally negligent.

Please tell me you are not in law enforcement.

[YALE]

At the second he said he can't breathe is the same exact time the officers arm was removed and he put both hands on Garners head.

Bullshit! That officer was riding him like a pony at a fair for minutes. Here's another question. Can you name me a scenario where a medical examiner rules a death a homicide, and you or I don't get at least a trial out of it?

[Denny]

At the second he said he can't breathe is the same exact time the officers arm was removed and he put both hands on Garners head.

LMFAO!!! Ok, you're trolling now, right?

[dcs13]

Bullshit! That officer was riding him like a pony at a fair for minutes. Here's another question. Can you name me a scenario where a medical examiner rules a death a homicide, and you or I don't get at least a trial out of it?

Watch it again. I just watched it. The first time he says I can't breathe is the same exact time he takes his arm off and puts his hands on the guys head.

[YALE]

Watch it agin. I just watched it. The first time he says I can't breathe is the same exact time he takes his arm off and puts his hands on the guys head.

That's a different cop. There was still another cop on his back, which is the cause of death, according to the medical examiner. He couldn't breath with someone on his back.

[dcs13]

That definition could not have been written any better to demonstrate that this cop is (at least) criminally negligent.

Please tell me you are not in law enforcement.

So the risk that a fat guy might stop breathing, cops shouldn't arrest them ?

I'm a ranch manager/welder. I got a big cow skin rug too. Does that matter ?

[dcs13]

Here's another question. Can you name me a scenario where a medical examiner rules a death a homicide, and you or I don't get at least a trial out of it?

Happens all the time-

http://www.nbcdfw.com/news/local/Police-Man-71-Fatally-Shot-Man-Who-Attacked-His-Wife-280776112.html

[46Tbird]

So the risk that a fat guy might stop breathing, cops shouldn't arrest them ?

Cops can arrest them. Cops can't choke the fuck out of them and jump on their backs until they suffocate and die. Please note the subtle the difference.

[YALE]

Happens all the time-

http://www.nbcdfw.com/news/local/Pol...280776112.html

Not the same thing. Fuck it. I don't understand. I guess I won't ever.

[Denny]

Happens all the time-

http://www.nbcdfw.com/news/local/Pol...280776112.html

No matter what the ME calls it, can still go to trial. That doesnt disclude it.

[bcoop]

Happens all the time-

http://www.nbcdfw.com/news/local/Pol...280776112.html

Your article isn't proof of anything. He hasn't been charged... Yet. Police referred to grand jury. Which is the same thing that happens nearly any time someone is killed. There are thousands of instances where similar situations have gone to trial. This very one may even go to trial.


Did you bother reading that before you posted it? It doesn't prove your point, or even come close.

[bubbaearl]

that was not a choke hold. one arm under the arm pit , one around the neck. for a choke hold you wrap the neck and use your forearm on the back for leverage.
the man died because he was in piss poor health. had they pepper sprayed him he would have died . had they tazed him he would likely die. if they simply wrestled with him longer he would have died . had he complied he would be home awaiting charges.
like it or not " your under arrest " means put your fucking hands behind your back . period . end of debate . it is not a suggestion .

[Sean88gt]

Here is what NY has a Negligence. We're talking Criminal here, not civil. They going to lose a civil case. But for a grand jury to file charges they have to say he at least was negligent. You tell me where it fits under here:
Criminal negligence." A person acts with criminal negligence with
respect to a result or to a circumstance described by a statute defining
an offense when he fails to perceive a substantial and unjustifiable
risk that such result will occur or that such circumstance exists. The
risk must be of such nature and degree that the failure to perceive it
constitutes a gross deviation from the standard of care that a
reasonable person would observe in the situation.

A definition is not an absolute. Look at the statutory provisions that list out elements. The cop should stand trial for involuntary manslaughter. Let the jury of his peers determine guilt, not a grand jury.

[dcs13]

Did you bother reading that before you posted it? It doesn't prove your point, or even come close.

His point was how often does a death that is ruled a homicide not result in a trial. My point - all the time. People are NO BILLED all them time in self defense killings. The deaths are still ruled as homicides.
The Dallas case was selected because everyone here remembers it. That guy is no way gonna get a true bill and stand trial. It's still a homicide.

[dcs13]

A definition is not an absolute. Look at the statutory provisions that list out elements. The cop should stand trial for involuntary manslaughter. Let the jury of his peers determine guilt, not a grand jury.

So we should just do away with grand juries and send everyone to trial ? A grand jury is a jury of your peers. It only dtermines IF probable cause exists to warrant a trial.
So the dad that kills the guy raping his daughter should automatically have to go to trial ?