mike brown vs. eric garner

[Broncojohnny]

Earlier I had a cop on facebook tell me that criminals should just stop being criminals and that the guy doing the choking just wanted to go home to his family. It is like listening to the same old stupid record over and over. Like maybe some fucking faggoty Wham song from the 80s. Over and OVER.

[Denny]

The video seems pretty clear to me. Choke holds are banned for the NYC police. This cop went to it really damn quick, like he couldn't pass up the smallest potential opportunity to do it. The dude was barely resisting, if at all. He certainly wasn't being aggressive, and he didn't commit any crime that warranted that level of aggression by the cop(s). They were clearly impatient and amped up way more than he was, and anxious as hell for some action. This one doesn't fall under "play stupid games...", in my opinion.

That said, it shouldn't be turned into a race thing (though it already has). It shouldn't be an excuse for violence or looting (hopefully it won't).

Oh, and Michael Brown got what he deserved.

It's a violation of departmental procedure, rather than an illegal tactic. He was alive when the officer let go. I'm with Yale on involuntary manslaughter at most.

[diablo rojo]

When this hit, traffic in the city came to a complete stop. It took me 4 hours to go 27 blocks this afternoon.

[jluv]

It's a violation of departmental procedure, rather than an illegal tactic. He was alive when the officer let go. I'm with Yale on involuntary manslaughter at most.

I don't think they meant to kill the guy. I do think they should be punished in some way for fucking up so bad that they killed a guy that didn't deserve to die.

[YALE]

I don't think they meant to kill the guy. I do think they should be punished in some way for fucking up so bad that they killed a guy that didn't deserve to die.

Fired is reasonable.

[jluv]

Fired is reasonable.

No way.

[YALE]

No way.

No?

[jluv]

No?

I don't see how they avoided charges. Manslaughter, at least, as mentioned earlier. If you fuck up and kill someone, even if you didn't do it on purpose, you typically face charges, right? But this ruling seems to say that they didn't fuck up, and that the way they treated this guy was justified. That's crazy to me. And the other message it sends is that cops can be bullies and assholes and get away with it, even when caught on tape. Even when it causes a senseless death. Why? Because they're cops? That's a shame.

[YALE]

I don't see how they avoided charges. Manslaughter, at least, as mentioned earlier. If you fuck up and kill someone, even if you didn't do it on purpose, you typically face charges, right? But this ruling seems to say that they didn't fuck up, and that the way they treated this guy was justified. That's crazy to me. And the other message it sends is that cops can be bullies and assholes and get away with it, even when caught on tape. Even when it causes a senseless death. Why? Because they're cops? That's a shame.

I thought you were going a different way with this. I agree with you.

[Denny]

That's where I'm at. This grand jury decision wasn't if he's guilty or not, it was to see if the prosecutor could even fight this in court. Thinking that it could go either way, I don't see why it didn't at least go to trial.

[dcs13]

That's where I'm at. This grand jury decision wasn't if he's guilty or not, it was to see if the prosecutor could even fight this in court. Thinking that it could go either way, I don't see why it didn't at least go to trial.

Because of the 23 grand jurors that listened to the FACTS of the case, there wasn't 12 that thought there was any criminal culpability. I applaud both grand juries for listening to the facts and making a decision based on facts and not on public sentiment. Knowing that their decision would be second guessed and riots would happen, they still made a decision based on the factual evidence.
This deal was made to be all about the "choke hold". What was used was not a lateral vascular neck restraint. It was a head lock used to pull the guy to the ground. Getting a big fat guy to the ground isn't the easiest thing to do if they don't wanna go down.

[jluv]

This deal was made to be all about the "choke hold". What was used was not a lateral vascular neck restraint. It was a head lock used to pull the guy to the ground. Getting a big fat guy to the ground isn't the easiest thing to do if they don't wanna go down.

Why did they need to put him on the ground at all? And LOL @ the headlock vs choke hold argument.

[Denny]

Because of the 23 grand jurors that listened to the FACTS of the case, there wasn't 12 that thought there was any criminal culpability. I applaud both grand juries for listening to the facts and making a decision based on facts and not on public sentiment. Knowing that their decision would be second guessed and riots would happen, they still made a decision based on the factual evidence.
This deal was made to be all about the "choke hold". What was used was not a lateral vascular neck restraint. It was a head lock used to pull the guy to the ground. Getting a big fat guy to the ground isn't the easiest thing to do if they don't wanna go down.

Call it what you want, the hold went across his neck and it did restrict his airway. You can call it the Million Dollar Dream for all I care. This was at least indictable. I'm not a FTP guy nor am I a badge homer, but anyone with a reasonable head on their shoulders could see that it was enough for a judge to hear both sides.

He argued that it was a takedown tactic he learned in the academy, but he failed to mention that when the person is being choked, it is now a choke hold.

[Broncojohnny]

It was a head lock used to pull the guy to the ground.

I think you may have forgotten there is a video.

[ELVIS]

Because of the 23 grand jurors that listened to the FACTS of the case, there wasn't 12 that thought there was any criminal culpability. I applaud both grand juries for listening to the facts and making a decision based on facts and not on public sentiment. Knowing that their decision would be second guessed and riots would happen, they still made a decision based on the factual evidence.
This deal was made to be all about the "choke hold". What was used was not a lateral vascular neck restraint. It was a head lock used to pull the guy to the ground. Getting a big fat guy to the ground isn't the easiest thing to do if they don't wanna go down.

mace-not against policy
taser-not against policy
choking a man to death-obv. not against policy either.

god bless.