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  • #76
    PROGRESO - A CHANNEL 5 NEWS investigation revealed that Progreso police officers are taking documents from Mexican nationals and holding them until the owners pay to get them back. It's unclear where that money is going.

    Sources inside the Progreso Police Department confirmed that officers are targeting vehicles with Mexican license plates.

    Elbia Alvarez said she was pulled over and forced to visit the town's only bank.

    "He had several cars stopped for the same reason. They want money,"Alvarez said.

    Alvarez was forced to pay $328 to get her documents back.

    Abigail Gomez had a similar story. She had to pay $340.

    "They took my documents, then I was taken to the office. They made me get money to pay," Gomez said.

    Both Gomez and Alvarez are Mexican nationals. Both said they were targeted. Their documents were held until they paid the cash.

    A Progreso police officer admitted that members of the department frequently stop vehicles with Mexican plates. The man did not want to reveal his identity for fear of losing his job.

    "They take the license, passport, whatever documents they have and basically force them to pay the fine," the officer said.

    The officer said the practice is common. He said officers pocket the cash.

    The officer showed CHANNEL 5 NEWS pictures of weekly profits from the fines. The amounts were written on a board inside the police station. He said the police chief, Alberto Rodriguez, instructed him and other officers to target Mexican nationals.

    "He says, ‘pull them over. They must have something we can charge them with," the officer said.

    CHANNEL 5 NEWS Reporter John Bartell visited the Progreso Police Department to inspect their records and to find out how often the alleged shakedowns happen.

    The clerk could not find records of specific traffic stops involving Mexican nationals, including Alvarez and Gomez.

    "If this is the name, it does not show in my system," the clerk said.

    CHANNEL 5 NEWS presented the findings to Hidalgo County District Attorney Rene Guerra.

    "Without that citation, no police officer or magistrate can take any property from any human being or driver (sic)," Guerra said.

    Guerra said officers have two options: write a citation, or detain and escort the violator to a court. Otherwise, the officer is breaking the law.

    "Without a traffic ticket you can be arrested for official oppression," Guerra said.

    "These citations are paper trails for the city, so they can see what their officers are doing and what happened to the money," Guerra said.

    CHANNEL 5 NEWS searched records of tickets issued by the Progreso Police Department.

    From 2011 to the present, the department issued 2,271 citations. One hundred and seventy tickets were issued to Mexican nationals. Only three of those were marked as paid.

    "This is a port of entry. People from other states, from Mexico, even Central America, they go through and just pass by," Rodriguez said.

    Rodriguez said Mexican nationals do not pay their fines. CHANNEL 5 NEWS confronted him about Alvarez's and Gomez's cases and showed him video of the women entering the police station to pay the fines.

    "This is the first time that I am hearing of this. I don't know what is going on ... this is new to me," he said.

    CHANNEL 5 NEWS asked Rodriguez about the department's policy on cash payments for traffic fines.

    "They are not supposed to handle it. The person, if they are in a hurry or they don't want to purchase a money order, they handle everything and put it in an envelope and deposit it into the box," Rodriguez said.

    Rodriguez said he will begin an internal investigation.

    CHANNEL 5 NEWS obtained a copy of the Progreso Police Department handbook. The handbook did not list any procedures for pulling over and ticketing drivers. Rodriguez said the handbook is vague.

    Texas state law states that drivers must get a citation at the location where the driver was pulled over.

    CHANNEL 5 NEWS learned that other law enforcement agencies also are investigating the Progreso Police Department.

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    • #77
      To be fair frost, we are treating the Mexicans like their police extort Americans for money. Next example.

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      • #78
        Originally posted by TeeShock View Post
        To be fair frost, we are treating the Mexicans like their police extort everyone for money. Next example.
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        • #79
          those are cops doing illegal shakedowns of mexican nationals not associated with the topic at hand. also why is it there was no follow up investigation nor investigation by the county? c'mon dude really?

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          • #80
            Originally posted by jewozzy View Post
            those are cops doing illegal shakedowns of mexican nationals not associated with the topic at hand. also why is it there was no follow up investigation nor investigation by the county? c'mon dude really?
            That would be cops doing shakedowns for cash. They do it during asset forfeiture and now you want them to have authority to take your credit card and charge it for things they decide you are guilty of right then.

            Hey, you go for it. I tend to avoid attention as possible but if you trust the idiot that can kill you and get a paid vacation until the story dies down or seize your vehicle and house without charges, be my guest. I won't.
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            • #81
              Sometimes, frost makes me laugh so hard.
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              • #82
                Originally posted by Forever_frost View Post
                That would be cops doing shakedowns for cash. They do it during asset forfeiture and now you want them to have authority to take your credit card and charge it for things they decide you are guilty of right then.

                Hey, you go for it. I tend to avoid attention as possible but if you trust the idiot that can kill you and get a paid vacation until the story dies down or seize your vehicle and house without charges, be my guest. I won't.
                i didn't ask for crooked cops doing shake downs. i asked for extorting people in the states that have the option to pay their ticket on the side of the road. you brought up an example that is an unverified news article (not video that you claimed you could find easily) of 2 mexicans getting shaken down. as usual you are going to keep sticking to your arguement of something that has nothing to do with the actual topic at hand. thats cool though...

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                • #83
                  Originally posted by Forever_frost View Post
                  That would be cops doing shakedowns for cash. They do it during asset forfeiture and now you want them to have authority to take your credit card and charge it for things they decide you are guilty of right then.

                  Hey, you go for it. I tend to avoid attention as possible but if you trust the idiot that can kill you and get a paid vacation until the story dies down or seize your vehicle and house without charges, be my guest. I won't.
                  You are acting like cops work on a commission pay system. We dont. To me this sounds like more work to collect anything. Im sure there would be a shitload of paperwork with it and garbage cause its related to money. Id rather write the ticket and GTFO of there. Most of the revenue from citations goes to the state anyway. Its a misconception that the city keeps the money. Thats not true, frosty.

                  If this option helps clear the jail of BS warrant arrests and dockets of a bunch of fail to appear charges, then screw it lets have it as an option. Most people do some method of dismissal anyway so I dont think it would be used that often.

                  On a side note, I missed all the frost police hatred. It was nice to see frosty back to his old self. I bet hes one of the copwatch guys who harrass cops everywhere. They all seem to be veterans pissed off at the world.

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                  • #84
                    Originally posted by houstondallas View Post
                    You are acting like cops work on a commission pay system. We dont. To me this sounds like more work to collect anything. Im sure there would be a shitload of paperwork with it and garbage cause its related to money. Id rather write the ticket and GTFO of there. Most of the revenue from citations goes to the state anyway. Its a misconception that the city keeps the money. Thats not true, frosty.

                    If this option helps clear the jail of BS warrant arrests and dockets of a bunch of fail to appear charges, then screw it lets have it as an option. Most people do some method of dismissal anyway so I dont think it would be used that often.

                    On a side note, I missed all the frost police hatred. It was nice to see frosty back to his old self. I bet hes one of the copwatch guys who harrass cops everywhere. They all seem to be veterans pissed off at the world.
                    Good, I will be expecting cops to stand against this and say it's not their job to be Judge Dredd on the side of the road acting as judge, prosecutor and collector of fines.

                    You are under the impression I hate cops. I don't. I despise bad cops. There are a few cops on here I respect highly and some? Not so much. Not a copwatch guy though I do enjoy watching them work. If a cop loses his cool because a guy is mouthing, then that cop needs to go away, retrain or pick another occupation. If you can't stand there and be cussed and still smile and offer the person a nice day, you're in the wrong job.
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                    • #85
                      Originally posted by Forever_frost View Post
                      Good, I will be expecting cops to stand against this and say it's not their job to be Judge Dredd on the side of the road acting as judge, prosecutor and collector of fines.

                      You are under the impression I hate cops. I don't. I despise bad cops. There are a few cops on here I respect highly and some? Not so much. Not a copwatch guy though I do enjoy watching them work. If a cop loses his cool because a guy is mouthing, then that cop needs to go away, retrain or pick another occupation. If you can't stand there and be cussed and still smile and offer the person a nice day, you're in the wrong job.
                      What does any of that rambling have to do with legislation that provides you an option, and does not force you to do anything?

                      If you oppose it so much, maybe that'll be extra incentive to keep your shit legal, and your actions legal too.
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                      • #86
                        Originally posted by Magnus View Post
                        What does any of that rambling have to do with legislation that provides you an option, and does not force you to do anything?

                        If you oppose it so much, maybe that'll be extra incentive to keep your shit legal, and your actions legal too.
                        What it has to do with the option is the point it won't always be an option, especially if departments start offering bonuses for cops that get more people to pony up and avoid courts. Tell me, do cops ever violate the 4th amendment and either attempt or actually engage in illegal searches of vehicles or lie to get 'consent' to dig through someone's car?

                        You have the option not to have a cop dig through you car without a warrant or probable cause, yet it happens every day. Tell me, what is the punishment for a cop that doesn't permit it to be an option and pushes it? Is he going to be fired on the spot? What happens now when a cop engages in an illegal search of a vehicle or lies to get consent of that search?

                        Also, my stuff is legal. Always legal. I keep an eye on my exterior bulbs, my tags and inspection, insurance and I routinely drive 5-10 miles an hour under the speed limit depending on posted limit and conditions. I've also only had one bad stop and that was because the cop almost rear ended me because I pulled over and stopped immediately when he hit his lights. After he ran me, he was cool but the initial encounter was distressing but nothing to report to his supervisor over. I understand fucking up and being an idiot and wanting to hit the gas to play Roscoe P. Coletrain and catch up to someone you think will run. I don't speak on this because I hate cops but because I hate how some cops violate their oath and the constitution, I hate how police have gone from protecting and serving to "No obligation to protect or serve anyone" while having access to APC's in a city with a violent crime rate lower than most middle schools.

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                        • #87
                          What does any of that have to do with either saying "Ok, you caught me, here is my money for my illegal actions" or "No thank you, I'll take this to court. Have a nice day."?
                          The pto I wouldn't have had to take and the court costs I saved for my illegal actions I were busted for make it worth my while. It has my vote, and my support.
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                          • #88
                            Originally posted by Magnus View Post
                            What does any of that have to do with either saying "Ok, you caught me, here is my money for my illegal actions" or "No thank you, I'll take this to court. Have a nice day."?
                            It has everything to do with it. What is the punishment if the cop pushes the 'option' on the side of the road? What is the repercussions when the option becomes more of a 'hand me your card and I'll swipe it, otherwise your car is getting impounded and I'm going to find more to write you up on."
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                            • #89
                              Originally posted by Forever_frost View Post
                              It has everything to do with it. What is the punishment if the cop pushes the 'option' on the side of the road? What is the repercussions when the option becomes more of a 'hand me your card and I'll swipe it, otherwise your car is getting impounded and I'm going to find more to write you up on."
                              Sounds like he's offering me the option to pay for 1 of my infractions, instead of hitting me with all 10 of the ones I'm currently breaking.
                              Once again, sign me up.
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                              • #90
                                Originally posted by Magnus View Post
                                Sounds like he's offering me the option to pay for 1 of my infractions, instead of hitting me with all 10 of the ones I'm currently breaking.
                                Once again, sign me up.
                                You still haven't addressed what the repercussions are for the cops who push this as an obligation instead of an option. What punishment is there for them bullying you to hand over your credit card to someone on the side of the road who is physically taking money from you at gun point?

                                I'm pretty sure I know what that is called when it's not someone with a badge.
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