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The only thing keeping car sales afloat is the state of the lending markets. Subprime auto loans are all the rage and it isn't just investment funds that buy into them. This all goes to shit when rates come up, just like housing.Last edited by Broncojohnny; 10-01-2014, 09:10 PM.Originally posted by racrguyWhat's your beef with NPR, because their listeners are typically more informed than others?Originally posted by racrguyVoting is a constitutional right, overthrowing the government isn't.
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Don't even think about putting a large cash down payment at a dealer. They will absorb as much of that down as they can. I see that shit all day long. My advice would be to put a few thousand down, be aware of what you're financing. Lenders *sometimes* gauge rates off LTV, but not always. Your rate is usually a derivative of the collateral, your score, and the term. Large cash down payments are hugeee windows for dealer to take advantage of you. I will not name any dealers, but I received an app from them today on a 25,000 vehicle, customer put down 7k, financing 26500. Gotta love it. If you're doing your own draft, and financing through your bank, make sure you mention the down payment to them, don't tell the dealer. A lot of guys have too much pride and are overconfident not really knowing what the vehicle they're buying is worth, and end up getting screwed. Every guy you talk to will tell you how great of a deal they got. I see it from the other side of the windows and I can tell you that is rarely the case. Be cautious and do your homework.Last edited by CJ; 10-01-2014, 09:53 PM."When the people find that they can vote themselves money, that will herald the end of the republic." -Benjamin Franklin
"A democracy will continue to exist up until the time that voters discover that they can vote themselves generous gifts from the public treasury." -Alexander Fraser Tytler
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Originally posted by Broncojohnny View PostThe only thing keeping car sales afloat is the state of the lending markets. Subprime auto loans are all the rage and it isn't just investment funds that buy into them. This all goes to shit when rates come up, just like housing."When the people find that they can vote themselves money, that will herald the end of the republic." -Benjamin Franklin
"A democracy will continue to exist up until the time that voters discover that they can vote themselves generous gifts from the public treasury." -Alexander Fraser Tytler
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Originally posted by Broncojohnny View PostThe only thing keeping car sales afloat is the state of the lending markets. Subprime auto loans are all the rage and it isn't just investment funds that buy into them. This all goes to shit when rates come up, just like housing.Originally posted by davbrucasI want to like Slow99 since people I know say he's a good guy, but just about everything he posts is condescending and passive aggressive.
Most people I talk to have nothing but good things to say about you, but you sure come across as a condescending prick. Do you have an inferiority complex you've attempted to overcome through overachievement? Or were you fondled as a child?
You and slow99 should date. You both have passive aggressiveness down pat.
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Originally posted by CJ View PostDon't even think about putting a large cash down payment at a dealer. They will absorb as much of that down as they can. I see that shit all day long. My advice would be to put a few thousand down, be aware of what you're financing. Lenders *sometimes* gauge rates off LTV, but not always. Your rate is usually a derivative of the collateral, your score, and the term. Large cash down payments are hugeee windows for dealer to take advantage of you. I will not name any dealers, but I received an app from them today on a 25,000 vehicle, customer put down 7k, financing 26500. Gotta love it. If you're doing your own draft, and financing through your bank, make sure you mention the down payment to them, don't tell the dealer. A lot of guys have too much pride and are overconfident not really knowing what the vehicle they're buying is worth, and end up getting screwed. Every guy you talk to will tell you how great of a deal they got. I see it from the other side of the windows and I can tell you that is rarely the case. Be cautious and do your homework.
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Originally posted by CJ View PostDon't even think about putting a large cash down payment at a dealer. They will absorb as much of that down as they can. I see that shit all day long. My advice would be to put a few thousand down, be aware of what you're financing. Lenders *sometimes* gauge rates off LTV, but not always. Your rate is usually a derivative of the collateral, your score, and the term. Large cash down payments are hugeee windows for dealer to take advantage of you. I will not name any dealers, but I received an app from them today on a 25,000 vehicle, customer put down 7k, financing 26500. Gotta love it. If you're doing your own draft, and financing through your bank, make sure you mention the down payment to them, don't tell the dealer. A lot of guys have too much pride and are overconfident not really knowing what the vehicle they're buying is worth, and end up getting screwed. Every guy you talk to will tell you how great of a deal they got. I see it from the other side of the windows and I can tell you that is rarely the case. Be cautious and do your homework.
To me, the most important numbers are what the car is actually worth vs purchase price. Last brand new car I purchased I went on edmunds.com and they have a function where you can send out an email and it's forwarded to multiple dealerships. I told them exactly what car, color, model, options and so forth and also told them that I had a deal lined up for invoice price(which I had researched online and was merely just a bluff ) and if they can beat that deal, to call me, otherwise leave me alone. One dealership called and guess what...they told me they couldn’t beat my deal, but they would match it. I had shopped around locally from a few other dealerships and also looked up the current selling prices locally for the car and compared them to my offer. In the long run, I got a good deal, but only because I did my homework and refused to pay anything over what I knew the car was worth. I even had them order the car without the pin stripe that the dealerships love to charge you for and received my car straight off the truck(they got me on those darn floor mats and mud guards). They probably hated me as a buyer because I looked over every line item and even pulled out my own personal financing when speaking to their finance department, but to me I was just doing my due diligence.
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Originally posted by A_A_G View PostIf you read before you sign, this isnt a problem.Originally posted by SilverbackLook all you want, she can't find anyone else who treats her as bad as I do, and I keep her self esteem so low, she wouldn't think twice about going anywhere else.
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Originally posted by Rick Modena View PostI also don't buy anything, rust protection, paint protection, VIN etching, GAP, lifetime oil changes, etc. I turn down all that shit and it makes them angry...
It amazes me that those shitheads always look at you openly like you just suffocated a baby when you turn all that shit down. I'm not sure if that profession draws people in who have a lack of control over their facial expressions or if it is simply another pressure technique.
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Originally posted by talisman View PostIt amazes me that those shitheads always look at you openly like you just suffocated a baby when you turn all that shit down. I'm not sure if that profession draws people in who have a lack of control over their facial expressions or if it is simply another pressure technique.Originally posted by SilverbackLook all you want, she can't find anyone else who treats her as bad as I do, and I keep her self esteem so low, she wouldn't think twice about going anywhere else.
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