Immortality

[Nash B.]

Strychnine works in technical sales, slow99 finance

LOLz.

[sc281]

1) Lol geez dude dont get so flustered. There is not fucking proof either way so there is no such thing as a real world example. Strychnine works in technical sales, slow99 finance, and I don't know roscoe.

2) But I can tell you from working in both the defense and oil and gas industries (which are largely older engineers) that knowledge share doesn't happen as you are dreaming it does. Computers are what sped development cycles, decision makers slow them to give them time to properly react to customer needs and the market.

3) Have you ever worked in technology development? It's a serious question, and would explain your misconceptions about how this shit works.

4) If you actually only gave the immortality drug to the productive/elite 10%, you would just make the rich much richer.

First off, the pal thing was a joke. Poorly executed, but a joke nonetheless.


1) I'm giving you examples to bolster my argument. You threw out a generalization about welfare being a drain, and I gave you examples of the technologies that will fill all the requirements of basic human survival that welfare programs just throw a check at as a bandaid now.

2) I'm not sure why you are arguing this. I said in my post that automation will revolutionize industry. Computers naturally will be doing more and more of the work. We are in agreement here.

Knowledge share not happening as I think it does? How so?

Who does the conceptualizing? The inventing? The abstract thought? Humans.

Which one is better suited to the task of conceptualization/invention/abstract thought? The older engineer with 25 years experience in the field, or the 22 yr old kid fresh out of college? Nikola Tesla with dozens of inventions to his name, or the inventors today trying to rediscover things he already knew instinctively (wireless electricity) ? Albert Einstein who revolutionized physics or the many physicists still trying to figure out problems a man of his intellect would have solved ages ago?

The experience and accumulated knowledge over a lifetime is what I'm talking about. When these people die, their experience and genius die with them. Even if they wrote down every thought while they were alive,, we can't bring their insight and intellect to bear on any problem arising after their death.

What if these people didn't have to die, and continued to apply their knowledge/experience/intellect to issues of today?

This would leave future generations free from having to fill the holes left by these people when they die, thereby allowing them to pursue new knowledge.

3) Please expound on these misconceptions, because the ones you brought up are ones I never argued against.

4) I never said give the drug to the 10%. The drug would be given to everyone. I even implied a side effect of this would be a overpopulation, necessitating expansion into space. Again you are arguing against something I didn't say.

If you reread my post, I said the 10% of the populace who are truly productive would be the ones driven to focus on the problems of expansion or anything else. They would be driven to because they are the ones in society today that are naturally driven to create, innovate, and invent. The other 90% only work because they need to in order to survive. Play with the percentages if you want, but those are the groups.

The10% would be the ones employed because they choose to work, and by the income earned would have a higher standard of living. The rest of society all have the things I listed, because they've become so cheap with technological advancements that anyone can own them, giving them the choice to be employed or not.

[2011GT]

The human race will be extinct long before all that

[abecx]

yes. I want to live forever.

[mstng86]

yes. I want to live forever.

Who wants to live forever?

Who wants to live foreverrrrr??

[slow99]

How the fuck do I get drug into shit?

[robray5.0]

Forever young! Forever young! I wanna be forever young!

[sc281]

How the fuck do I get drug into shit?

Haha my bad, dude.

[Sean88gt]

How the fuck do I get drug into shit?

Showing up with a used Infiniti secured you a seat at the head table, Playa!

[71chevellejohn]

Who wants to live forever?

Who wants to live foreverrrrr??

Who waits forever anyway?

[talisman]

......

Nicely done, and interesting perspectives. I tend to agree with most everything you posted. The 90% being employed because of "choice" brings about the question of what that 90% would be doing on a daily basis.

Leisure? I think that a significant portion, with their improved health (since it stands to reason we would develop healthier food as well, which would lead to more people pursuing active lifestyles) would be less slowed down by day to day life, and be able to break new barriers in activities we can't even imagine at this point. The intellectuals will consume and store more knowledge, leading to further invention and enhancements from "everymen."

Just looking at the last few hundred years, it is just insane, the rate at which we have leaped forward. I would be excited beyond belief to get a glimpse of the world just 300 years from now.

There is also the somewhat moral question of what using technology to "cheat" will do to general perspectives of what it is to be human, despite the fact that our intelligence got us there. It will certainly rock many religions to their core. What will become the new way to push oneself if we're so healthy that running a marathon becomes mundane?

Maybe organisms have already done this before. Perhaps the Big Bang was a previous generation going too far and unintentionally unzipping the entire universe. Who the hell knows.

Some of this might sound ridiculous, but I find it highly interesting. I finally got around to reading A Brief History of Time recently and it lit up my imagination.

[Ruffdaddy]

How the fuck do I get drug into shit?

This is what happens when you show off your fancy education and your immense spending power large enough to live in Cali. You get the king of the idiots badge.

This is power has come to question however with your acquisition of a USED car, and your lack of an office door.

[Rick Modena]

Showing up with a used Infiniti secured you a seat at the head table, Playa!

lol!

[Strychnine]

I don't care either way. If living longer doesn't get me to a 'fuck you' level of wealth then I have no desire stick around and be a little worker bee through the centuries.

But I did read this yesterday:

Humans Could Be In The Middle Of A Huge Evolutionary Transition

Christina Sterbenz
Sep. 10, 2014, 6:11 PM





Mankind is undergoing a major evolutionary transition comparable to the shifts from prosimians to monkeys, monkeys to apes, and apes to humans, according to Cadell Last, an evolutionary anthropology Ph.D. student and researcher at the Global Brain Institute.

Human life expectancy has already increased from about 45 at the start of the 20th century to 80 today. Last predicts it will increase to 120 as soon as 2050 — a concept known as radical life extension — through a combination of new technology, behavior, and natural selection.

In addition to longer lives, humans will demonstrate delayed sexual maturation and biological reproduction, according to Last. Taken together, these changes could signify a new type of human.

Last makes his case in a paper from the most recent issue of Current Aging Science. Citing other futurists like Ray Kurzweil and Francis Heylighen, Last theorizes about human interaction with technology, relying on observations of past primate evolution and biology.


From "Living Fast And Dying Young" To "Living Slow And "Dying Old"

According to life history theory, natural selection shapes the length of an organism's life and the timing of key events to produce the most surviving offspring. In the "fundamental life history trade-off," organisms must choose between spending their time producing as many offspring as possible or rearing those offspring to make them as successful as possible, according to Last.

And as brain sizes increases, organisms require more energy and longer rearing time to reach their full potentials.

Based on these ideas, three major shifts in primate history have occurred toward longer lives and delayed reproduction: between prosimians and monkeys, monkeys and apes, and apes and humans.

Humans already dedicate the most time and energy toward nurturing offspring of any primate species, and this pattern is only becoming more extreme.

"Human life history throughout our species evolution can be thought of as one long trend towards delayed sexual maturation and biological reproduction (i.e. from 'living fast and dying young' to 'living slow and dying old')," Last writes.

While physical needs fueled previous evolutionary changes, cultural and technological innovations will drive the next shift, which has been accelerating since the Industrial Revolution.

Simply said, humans need more time to develop to take advantage of our complex world.


Biological Vs. Cultural Reproduction

Considering recent advancements like in-vitro fertilization, egg-freezing, and even adoption, the mechanics of biological reproduction have radically changed. "The biological clock isn't going to be around forever," Last says — or at least, people can turn it off or ignore it for a while.

Today, and even more so in the future, the success of individual and collective human life depends on knowledge and economic prosperity. Passing on new and important ideas to the next generation involves a process called cultural reproduction, which takes more time and energy than simply having babies.

"You have a limited amount of time and energy from birth to death, and you've got to figure out whether you're going to dedicate that time and energy toward biological reproduction or cultural reproduction," Last explains. "We're opting to take ourselves out of the gene pool in favor of immersing ourselves in an idea pool."

Even now, we've seen evidence of delayed reproduction and fewer offspring per person in many countries. Despite fears of overpopulation, Last points out that more than half of countries (with available data) have reached a replacement fertility rate of less than 2.1, as shown in his chart below, compiled from the CIA's World Factbook.



"As countries become socioeconomically advanced, more and more people, especially women, have the option to engage in cultural reproduction," Last explains.

What's more, the emergence of artificial intelligence will offset the need for low-skill, low-education jobs, giving individuals the "opportunity to explore cultural reproduction as a vocation," Last writes. In many cases, biological reproduction has even become "too costly" in the face of the increasing pressure to adapt to technological advancements.

Altogether, the world should expect a variety of humans who live much longer and have kids much later than what Last calls archaic humans.

"These are sort of the beginning signs that we're making a transition to a radical life extension — within 20 or 30 years," Last says.

Meanwhile, technology has changed human interaction in many ways. Already, a reporter in New York can talk to an evolutionary anthropologist in Canada over Skype. In another few decades, nanotechnology could allow similar conversations to occur entirely in the brain.

"Your 80 or 100 is going to be so radically different than your grandparents," Last says.

[slow99]

Damn, a lot of pensions are gonna go belly up.