Resistance is Futile.

[cyclonescott]

The Violent Cost of Challenging the American Police State.

By John W. Whitehead
September 09, 2014

“Police are specialists in violence. They are armed, trained, and authorized to use force. With varying degrees of subtlety, this colors their every action. Like the possibility of arrest, the threat of violence is implicit in every police encounter. Violence, as well as the law, is what they represent.”—Kristian Williams, activist and author

If you don’t want to get probed, poked, pinched, tasered, tackled, searched, seized, stripped, manhandled, arrested, shot, or killed, don’t say, do or even suggest anything that even hints of noncompliance. This is the new “thin blue line” over which you must not cross in interactions with police if you want to walk away with your life and freedoms intact.

The following incidents and many more like them serve as chilling reminders that in the American police state, “we the people” are at the mercy of law enforcement officers who have almost absolute discretion to decide who is a threat, what constitutes resistance, and how harshly they can deal with the citizens they were appointed to “serve and protect.”

For example, police arrested Chaumtoli Huq because she failed to promptly comply when ordered to “move along” while waiting outside a Ruby Tuesday’s restaurant for her children, who were inside with their father, using the bathroom. NYPD officers grabbed Huq, a lawyer with the New York City Public Advocate’s office, flipped her around, pressed her against a wall, handcuffed her, searched her purse, arrested her, and told her to “shut up” when she cried out for help, before detaining her for nine hours. Huq was charged with obstructing governmental administration, resisting arrest and disorderly conduct.

https://www.rutherford.org/publications_resources/john_whiteheads_commentary/resistance_is_futile_the_violent_cost_of_challenging_the_american_police_st

[Rick Modena]

That article pretty much sums up what I have been saying for years.

If you don’t want to get probed, poked, pinched, tasered, tackled, searched, seized, stripped, manhandled, arrested, shot, or killed, don’t say, do or even suggest anything that even hints of noncompliance. This is the new “thin blue line” over which you must not cross in interactions with police if you want to walk away with your life and freedoms intact.

This is exactly how handle police and I have never had any of the above when dealing with them clowns.

[LS1Goat]

Yawn.

[CexMashean]

This is exactly how handle police and I have never had any of the above when dealing with them clowns.

Pretty much sums up 99.99% of my police encounters. All the way down to getting just a warning when street racing.

[likeitfast55]

I used to hate the FTP threads on here, maybe because I am older and more liberal minded than most here . My generation was taught to go TO the police when in trouble and to respect the badge.
My son is 29 and has been telling/showing me these troubling clashes with more and more frequency. Each incident seems to be worse than the last. At first I shrugged it off to unruly people challenging authority. They get what they deserve-------that was my mental validation.

After I read more and more stories like above, getting pulled over for a simple traffic stop or a tail-light out scares the hell out of me. When I see local police in MRAP's and full battle gear, holy shit. Have you seen the fully equipped SUV's that the Southlake cops ride around in? Seriously, intimidation like that in Southlake?
When did this start? Did the street thugs and gangs escalate violence to this point? Did elected officials/police chiefs decide this first? When does the need to serve and protect go beyond that to all out civil oppression? I for one, have had my eyes open to this trampling of our freedoms. As Kristian Williams said above, “Police are specialists in violence. They are armed, trained, and authorized to use force. With varying degrees of subtlety, this colors their every action. Like the possibility of arrest, the threat of violence is implicit in every police encounter. Violence, as well as the law, is what they represent.”

I am certainly not advocating turning a blind eye to crime, however there must be oversight between protecting and oppressing citizens.

What is the answer, certainly I do not have it. What I have done is educate myself on my constitutional rights when ANY encounter with the police is imminent. What to say, more importantly what NOT to say. It will take a nationwide outcry to our elected officials to mandate change. The municipalities across this nation will have a very hard time relinquishing any power. To do so would delineate their power from within.

[Sean88gt]

Sounds like a manual on allowing tyranny.

[Sean88gt]

I used to hate the FTP threads on here, maybe because I am older and more liberal minded than most here . My generation was taught to go TO the police when in trouble and to respect the badge.
My son is 29 and has been telling/showing me these troubling clashes with more and more frequency. Each incident seems to be worse than the last. At first I shrugged it off to unruly people challenging authority. They get what they deserve-------that was my mental validation.

After I read more and more stories like above, getting pulled over for a simple traffic stop or a tail-light out scares the hell out of me. When I see local police in MRAP's and full battle gear, holy shit. Have you seen the fully equipped SUV's that the Southlake cops ride around in? Seriously, intimidation like that in Southlake?
When did this start? Did the street thugs and gangs escalate violence to this point? Did elected officials/police chiefs decide this first? When does the need to serve and protect go beyond that to all out civil oppression? I for one, have had my eyes open to this trampling of our freedoms. As Kristian Williams said above, “Police are specialists in violence. They are armed, trained, and authorized to use force. With varying degrees of subtlety, this colors their every action. Like the possibility of arrest, the threat of violence is implicit in every police encounter. Violence, as well as the law, is what they represent.”

I am certainly not advocating turning a blind eye to crime, however there must be oversight between protecting and oppressing citizens.

What is the answer, certainly I do not have it. What I have done is educate myself on my constitutional rights when ANY encounter with the police is imminent. What to say, more importantly what NOT to say. It will take a nationwide outcry to our elected officials to mandate change. The municipalities across this nation will have a very hard time relinquishing any power. To do so would delineate their power from within.

You had Officer Friendly as well. Now we have "the eyes of Texas are upon you."

Things are changing, regardless of what lies we're told.

[Trip McNeely]

I think obeying and doing what they say to a point is acceptable when you're in the wrong. Now being a complete dick just to be one because you have a hard on for authority is quite the opposite and should be challenged. The evolution of policing IMO has been stained by a few bad apples and then how the rest handle those situations. I think for the most part police are good people, but it's also a place for authoritarians with a complex can be in heaven. Guns, Authority, and Discretion can be a dangerous combo for a lot of people. Police need to go back to walking beats and being more involved in the community, and I know there are several agencies that do this. It just needs to happen more.

[Baba Ganoush]

Police need to go back to walking beats and being more involved in the community, and I know there are several agencies that do this. It just needs to happen more.

Every bit of this. There's a serious dis-connection in police work. The blame falls on both LEO's and the citizens they're supposed to protect. I don't see it ever being corrected in some communities, but perhaps we should highlight the ones that do see success.

[CexMashean]

hahaha, walk a beat in oak cliff, there would be dead cops every night. Drive by pop-a-cop.

[Baba Ganoush]

Well, use all black women in sexy cop uniforms.

Game Changer

[Trip McNeely]

hahaha, walk a beat in oak cliff, there would be dead cops every night. Drive by pop-a-cop.

Baby steps.

[CexMashean]

Cops too busy twerking for $1's, b&e got away one block down when the cops didn't respond.

[Baba Ganoush]

Cops too busy twerking for $1's, b&e got away one block down when the cops didn't respond.

Lol

Cops twerking and getting tips = success

Can't prevent all crimes, but you can win over some snitches!

[kingjason]

I used to hate the FTP threads on here, maybe because I am older and more liberal minded than most here . My generation was taught to go TO the police when in trouble and to respect the badge.
My son is 29 and has been telling/showing me these troubling clashes with more and more frequency. Each incident seems to be worse than the last. At first I shrugged it off to unruly people challenging authority. They get what they deserve-------that was my mental validation.

After I read more and more stories like above, getting pulled over for a simple traffic stop or a tail-light out scares the hell out of me. When I see local police in MRAP's and full battle gear, holy shit. Have you seen the fully equipped SUV's that the Southlake cops ride around in? Seriously, intimidation like that in Southlake?
When did this start? Did the street thugs and gangs escalate violence to this point? Did elected officials/police chiefs decide this first? When does the need to serve and protect go beyond that to all out civil oppression? I for one, have had my eyes open to this trampling of our freedoms. As Kristian Williams said above, “Police are specialists in violence. They are armed, trained, and authorized to use force. With varying degrees of subtlety, this colors their every action. Like the possibility of arrest, the threat of violence is implicit in every police encounter. Violence, as well as the law, is what they represent.”

I am certainly not advocating turning a blind eye to crime, however there must be oversight between protecting and oppressing citizens.

What is the answer, certainly I do not have it. What I have done is educate myself on my constitutional rights when ANY encounter with the police is imminent. What to say, more importantly what NOT to say. It will take a nationwide outcry to our elected officials to mandate change. The municipalities across this nation will have a very hard time relinquishing any power. To do so would delineate their power from within.

Not really.

You see the big nasty vehicles and all the gear are due in great part to the amount of shit we may come in contact with. Back in the day you didn't have mass shootings, mother fuckers in swat gear robbing banks with AR's, bombs blowing up entire buildings, planes flying into buildings, etc etc.

I had a buddy that was pinned down in a gun fight and the APV drove right over the top of him and picked him up. I would call that putting a APV to good use. Do we need all that shit. Maybe not. Is it good we have a lot of that shit. Absolutely! Just in case we need it. The problem is sometimes those items are not used in the best of situations. Sometimes officers / administrators should think, just because we can, doesn't mean we should. It is a fine line and sometimes it just looks bad.

I think, in this day and age we have a two fold cluster fuck going on. A lot of people are not raising their kids to be accountable for their actions. There is no discipline growing up and no consequences. Now in dealing with the police that obviously is not going to work out as planned for a lot of kids after they turn into an adult. Now couple that with a younger police force who also believe their actions won't have consequences. You can see where this might be a problem. For the most part, most officers show good discretion, and are not out their to show their authority. Unfortunately there are some that just want to be The Man.

Yes you do not have to respect the police. But a little respect goes a long way in how your encounter may or may not go. There are always multiple paths we can take on every call and stop should we choose so. I do not let peoples attitudes affect anything I do. When people are really shitty to me I try to be extra nice and explain things the way I would want something explained to me or one of my family members. I am a less is more guy when it comes to law enforcement. I like to leave most people I come in contact with a positive view of the police department. I am as nice as I can be until I can not be nice anymore. Some people will force your hand and well that sucks for them. I asked a girl we arrested how her customer service was that day. She kind of laughed and said surprisingly well given the circumstance . Being a dick does no one any good in my profession.

I think obeying and doing what they say to a point is acceptable when you're in the wrong. Now being a complete dick just to be one because you have a hard on for authority is quite the opposite and should be challenged. The evolution of policing IMO has been stained by a few bad apples and then how the rest handle those situations. I think for the most part police are good people, but it's also a place for authoritarians with a complex can be in heaven. Guns, Authority, and Discretion can be a dangerous combo for a lot of people. Police need to go back to walking beats and being more involved in the community, and I know there are several agencies that do this. It just needs to happen more.

This guy gets it. I love rolling around a visiting with people all day when I can. I am a very well rounded guy. I may stop and talk about you car, grass, house, whatever. I even enjoy the question and answer sessions when people ask. I get really good Intel on bad elements this way. Is that the reason I stop and visit. Hell no I just love to talk. It just works for me.