Tarrant County Police Set for 'No Refusal' Weekend

[hustleman]

Not really...just formalities. You tell a judge you believe the person to be impaired, he signs a warrant and you forcibly take his blood. I've seen it done.

I write warrants all the time not for DWI, but if my affidavit for a DWI blood draw warrant read "I saw him/her swerve" and that was my only evidence, I would get laughed out of the judge's office or home.

[Broncojohnny]

not for DWI

I think we found the key phrase.

[davbrucas]

I write warrants all the time not for DWI, but if my affidavit for a DWI blood draw warrant read "I saw him/her swerve" and that was my only evidence, I would get laughed out of the judge's office or home.

Quite playing stupid...you, and every cop in this country, are taught the definition and meaning of the word, articulate.

[Forever_frost]

The investigation is a little more involved then just "hey you served" stick your arm our so I can draw your blood. Come on frost, you are so ridiculous.

Then you see my point. If it's invasive for you to have a citizen do it to you because he saw you weaving a bit, you don't think it's more invasive when a badge does it because "You can't refuse" and they have no obligation to be accurate and professional? Bust some blood vessels, miss the vein repeatedly, no biggie, you can't refuse. Collapsing veins, veins that roll? Fuck it, we'll keep stabbing.

[War Machine]

Ive been pulled over for drunk driving two different times, and both times the cop was certain I was drunk. Pulled me over and harassed me for a while both times and let me go. Ive never drank alcohol or done any drugs my entire life. Both were late nights. Fucking pigs

[kingjason]

Quite playing stupid...you, and every cop in this country, are taught the definition and meaning of the word, articulate.

This may be true, but not once have I ever went beyond the reasonable and prudent person part in the whole articulation process. Nor do I lie, or adjust the facts to fit my needs. I play fair with people and have cut a lot of breaks for honesty. My only two zero tolerance things are property crimes, and crimes against persons. If it is a close call, I go with the lower charge and let the D.A. bump it up. If I lose a case, I don't get all but hurt about it and don't try to slant the evidence in my favor. I am way more of a community oriented cop. I don't believe in breaking it off in my citizens, it's just not a good long term strategy. There are plenty of shitty folks that are beyond help to deal with. I leave way more of my contacts a day with a positive feeling about police then a negative, even the people I have to arrest I treat well. I want people to get it's not personal, even if they are MF'ing me.

[davbrucas]

This may be true, but not once have I ever went beyond the reasonable and prudent person part in the whole articulation process. Nor do I lie, or adjust the facts to fit my needs. I play fair with people and have cut a lot of breaks for honesty. My only two zero tolerance things are property crimes, and crimes against persons. If it is a close call, I go with the lower charge and let the D.A. bump it up. If I loose a case, I don't get all but hurt about it and don't try to slant the evidence in my favor. I am way more of a community oriented cop. I don't believe in breaking it off in my citizens, it's just not a good long term strategy. There are plenty of shitty folks that are beyond help to deal with. I leave way more of my contacts a day with a positive feeling about police then a negative, even the people I have to arrest I treat well. I want people to get it's not personal, even if they are MF'ing me.

You're good in my book...

[Forever_frost]

This may be true, but not once have I ever went beyond the reasonable and prudent person part in the whole articulation process. Nor do I lie, or adjust the facts to fit my needs. I play fair with people and have cut a lot of breaks for honesty. My only two zero tolerance things are property crimes, and crimes against persons. If it is a close call, I go with the lower charge and let the D.A. bump it up. If I loose a case, I don't get all but hurt about it and don't try to slant the evidence in my favor. I am way more of a community oriented cop. I don't believe in breaking it off in my citizens, it's just not a good long term strategy. There are plenty of shitty folks that are beyond help to deal with. I leave way more of my contacts a day with a positive feeling about police then a negative, even the people I have to arrest I treat well. I want people to get it's not personal, even if they are MF'ing me.

And that is what I was taught cops were. Hell, I even had it drilled in my head to get my undergrad. Community based policing, being out in the community, walking and talking to people. Finding out about them and using common sense instead of driving the law into people.

So you agree that you would not stand for someone deciding that you were going to blow in a machine or they were going to forcefully draw blood. Good deal. No officer should agree to this, not if they take their oath seriously.

[dcs13]

Since you are more likely to be killed by a drink driver, than murdered, I would rather the po po get the drunks off the road. Cops have a better chance of keeping me from being killed but arresting DWI's than stopping homicides. Most murders occur between people that know each other. Drunks just kill random people.
I have a friend that is a prosecutor in North Texas. One of his major cities has no refusal 24/7 365. He says the AVERAGE BAC on blood draws is .18. I asked how many came in below .08. He told me he has seen a COUPLE, but drugs were a factor in those cases. He said that 99% of the blood cases PLEAD GUILTY. No trial.
So, I'm on favor of the program. It's 2014 folks, how the hell do you not understand not to drink and drive.

[Baba Ganoush]

The local police are actually very limited to where they can set up these checkpoints. If local LEO's we're permitted to set these up at locations of their choice, the jails would be full before the sun went down.

Chances are the same people bitching about this violating their rights would bitch about the cops not doing enough when they're t-boned by a drunk or uninsured driver.

Besides, anyone out driving around the metroplex after sundown on a summer holiday weekend is not putting their safety as a priority anyway. I would suggest staying home, not because of the cops "out to get you", but because of the drunks that flood the roads.

[racrguy]

The local police are actually very limited to where they can set up these checkpoints. If local LEO's we're permitted to set these up at locations of their choice, the jails would be full before the sun went down.

Chances are the same people bitching about this violating their rights would bitch about the cops not doing enough when they're t-boned by a drunk or uninsured driver.

Besides, anyone out driving around the metroplex after sundown on a summer holiday weekend is not putting their safety as a priority anyway. I would suggest staying home, not because of the cops "out to get you", but because of the drunks that flood the roads.

Well if that isn't some fucked up reasoning. You have a chance of getting skin cancer from the sun, better stay inside all the time!

[TexasDevilDog]

As to my opening post, I am not against the police pulling over drunk people. I have even called the police while following someone that can't stay on the road. That person was blasted and fell out of his truck when asked to get out.

I do feel uneasy about forcing people to give blood. The penalty to refuse to blow could still be increased to be a big fine with the loss of DL.

I am whole heartily against stopping every X number of cars, to have a conversation with someone to see if you can give them a ticket for something.

I would like to see statistics on number of people stopped, number of arrests for DWI, number of tickets for other infractions. The money maker is the last one.

[Baba Ganoush]

Well if that isn't some fucked up reasoning. You have a chance of getting skin cancer from the sun, better stay inside all the time!

Yeah, well... that sun is a motherfucker. At least drunks will probably kill you quickly.

[racrguy]

As to my opening post, I am not against the police pulling over drunk people. I have even called the police while following someone that can't stay on the road. That person was blasted and fell out of his truck when asked to get out.

I do feel uneasy about forcing people to give blood. The penalty to refuse to blow could still be increased to be a big fine with the loss of DL.

I am whole heartily against stopping every X number of cars, to have a conversation with someone to see if you can give them a ticket for something.

I would like to see statistics on number of people stopped, number of arrests for DWI, number of tickets for other infractions. The money maker is the last one.

Why do we need to penalize people for refusing to give evidence to the state?

[TexasDevilDog]

Why do we need to penalize people for refusing to give evidence to the state?

I believe the state legislature wrote the law that the DL is a condition of certain requirements and courts have held that it is an implied consent.

"Implied consent laws are rules by some states that require you to submit to certain breath or sobriety tests or be subject to additional penalties. The theory is that since you chose to drive on a public roadway, you consented to the rules regarding driving while intoxicated."