Who here is wealthy?

[talisman]

Having kids gave me a bit more drive to make money, and sound financial decisions that will make sure I can provide for my family. That's the main reason I work everyday at a job that I dont like, because the money is good. Would I rather not have the expenses that they require looming over me? Sure, but Id rather have kids. I'd rather have a family to look forward to going home to, and spending time with. And I'd rather work my ass off on the side to make sure that we as a family can live comfortably. Financial decisions arent necessarily investments. I didnt have kids to put money in the bank.

Getting married did that to me. Then getting divorced, I threw myself at work and started pulling in the biggest income years of my life, while throwing 20% in my 401k. (I still wasn't hitting the dollar limit I could put in though. ) I don't know what kids would have done to my life, but it's something I wonder about on occasion. I wasn't ever adamantly opposed to them, but the ex would pull ridiculously obnoxious dramatics if a kid was even in the same room as us to make sure I got the point about how much she didn't want them. On the bright side the divorce forced me to really examine where I wanted to go with my life, and at this late stage they weren't in the equation. I've actually been thinking about loosening my strict no kid policy when dating. Hell, I'm rambling, don't know why, but your post got my mind in gear a bit. TL;DR.

[racrguy]

So, yes?

No, emotion need not be included when talking about the existence/non-existence of a person or being.

[Baron Von Crowder]

Getting married did that to me. Then getting divorced, I threw myself at work and started pulling in the biggest income years of my life, while throwing 20% in my 401k. (I still wasn't hitting the dollar limit I could put in though. ) I don't know what kids would have done to my life, but it's something I wonder about on occasion. I wasn't ever adamantly opposed to them, but the ex would pull ridiculously obnoxious dramatics if a kid was even in the same room as us to make sure I got the point about how much she didn't want them. On the bright side the divorce forced me to really examine where I wanted to go with my life, and at this late stage they weren't in the equation. I've actually been thinking about loosening my strict no kid policy when dating. Hell, I'm rambling, don't know why, but your post got my mind in gear a bit. TL;DR.

I was the same way, never opposed to them, and more or less complacent as to if I would have them or not. My wife wanted to be a mother really badly, and it has been good for us.

No, emotion need not be included when talking about the existence/non-existence of a person or being.

It's interesting to see you post up about things like this. You take anything emotionally relevant and stick your fingers in your ears, go "La La La La im not doing it" like a 4 year old, and stick your head in the sand.

You cant have an honest conversation about anything that involves emotion if you refuse to acknowledge that emotion plays a huge role in human decision making.

[phaux]

You cant have an honest conversation about anything that involves emotion if you refuse to acknowledge that emotion plays a huge role in human decision making.

[Rick Modena]

I don't know what kids would have done to my life, but it's something I wonder about on occasion. I wasn't ever adamantly opposed to them.

Just think about all the good times you have had and the things you have seen over the last few years after your divorce. Drive out to the mountains in West Texas and right about midnight when you can see the milky way, thank your lucky stars you don't have any kids. You would have been living in hell right now if Jodi would have shit out a few pups. Everything you have done since then would have not happened.
No road trips to see the country, no '14 5.0 and you wouldn't have that house either, you'd still be in that apartment/condo.

Trust me, you are living the dream...

[talisman]

Just think about all the good times you have had and the things you have seen over the last few years after your divorce. Drive out to the mountains in West Texas and right about midnight when you can see the milky way, thank your lucky stars you don't have any kids. You would have been living in hell right now if Jodi would have shit out a few pups. Everything you have done since then would have not happened.
No road trips to see the country, no '14 5.0 and you wouldn't have that house either, you'd still be in that apartment/condo.

Trust me, you are living the dream...

LOL! Well, that's what I keep telling myself. Grass is always greener, of course. And my 5.0 is a '13, not a '14. It's old junk now, about to turn 20k.

[racrguy]

I was the same way, never opposed to them, and more or less complacent as to if I would have them or not. My wife wanted to be a mother really badly, and it has been good for us.


It's interesting to see you post up about things like this. You take anything emotionally relevant and stick your fingers in your ears, go "La La La La im not doing it" like a 4 year old, and stick your head in the sand.

You cant have an honest conversation about anything that involves emotion if you refuse to acknowledge that emotion plays a huge role in human decision making.

Sure I can. Emotion has no place in some conversations, like when you're talking about facts. Emotions are subjective, facts are objective, therefore emotion should be disregarded when discussing them. As I already said, it is a fact that children are a bad financial decision. That doesn't mean they're a bad personal decision. I'm capable of breaking down and separating different aspects of things. Typically when I'm arguing something I'm very specific, which is why I limited what I said here today to the financial aspect of it. Not everyone views children as I do, so I expect an emotional attachment to be shown by people who want and have children.

[Baron Von Crowder]

Sure I can. Emotion has no place in some conversations, like when you're talking about facts. Emotions are subjective, facts are objective, therefore emotion should be disregarded when discussing them. As I already said, it is a fact that children are a bad financial decision. That doesn't mean they're a bad personal decision. I'm capable of breaking down and separating different aspects of things. Typically when I'm arguing something I'm very specific, which is why I limited what I said here today to the financial aspect of it. Not everyone views children as I do, so I expect an emotional attachment to be shown by people who want and have children.

LOL you are hilarious. You can deny emotions all day long, but that doesnt make them any less legitimate. Emotion plays a part in every single human thought. You denying emotions play a role is like saying that Tali doesnt jack off daily.

[Rick Modena]

LOL! Well, that's what I keep telling myself. Grass is always greener, of course. And my 5.0 is a '13, not a '14. It's old junk now, about to turn 20k.

My mistake on the year and on the miles, lol.
I just turned 40k on my '12 bought that I bought on 7-1-11 and I was thinking it might be time to trade it on a '15 5.0, especially after I saw it at the Shelby show up front and personal.

All these guys here that are pumping up their kids are still in the 'dressing them up cute on Halloween as winny the pooh or teenage mutant ninja turtles stage'.
All that shit changes when they hit middle school and it doesn't get any easier and the stress level goes up 10 fold...

[racrguy]

LOL you are hilarious. You can deny emotions all day long, but that doesnt make them any less legitimate. Emotion plays a part in every single human thought. You denying emotions play a role is like saying that Tali doesnt jack off daily.

Did you not read what I said?

[Baron Von Crowder]

Did you not read what I said?

yeah, I did. You keep saying the same thing over and over.

[ceyko]

LOL! Well, that's what I keep telling myself. Grass is always greener, of course. And my 5.0 is a '13, not a '14. It's old junk now, about to turn 20k.

Yeah when you're married with kids (sometimes it feels like) a "vacation" would be to take a month to be single and have free reign to do "hookers n' blow"....

...life does not work that way though for most marriages. Probably not all that great anymore anyway. I'm sure being single is not as fun as it was in the teens/early 20s.

That no kid policy is going to filter more and more chicks the older you get. I'd judge the chick by her kid(s) and go from there. Even if brats, what's that got to do with getting thy willy wet? If feeling trapped, yell at the brat and she'll kick you out. It's perfect.

[Rreemo]

Ever visit someone in a nursing home and take notice of the old, sad, lonely people....the ones who never have visitors of their own?

A lot of them are folks who also thought wealth was more important than family.

[racrguy]

yeah, I did. You keep saying the same thing over and over.

And yet you keep trying to posit that I'm saying things I've not said

[Baron Von Crowder]

And yet you keep trying to posit that I'm saying things I've not said

And you keep denying that emotions play a part in your "rational, factual" arguments.