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    This is just disgraceful. In addition, Police Departments should in no way be able to profit from arrests. That's even worse than having quotas. That money should go to rehabilitation. Click on the link and read about the Byrne Justice Assistance Grant if you want to learn more about that and really be blown away.


    A piece in the Washington Post highlights the growing backlog of untested rape test kits that are sitting in police storage units while rapists run free and victims suffer. Missing from the story, however, is one of the biggest contributors to this backlog, the enormous amount of police and tax resources spent targeting drug crimes, particularly marijuana possession.

    The backlog is a disgrace. The total number of rape test kits that have never been sent to laboratories for testing exceeds 100,000. In some cases, the kits have been sitting in storage for decades. From the Washington Post:

    "In 2009, authorities found more than 11,000 unprocessed kits at the Detroit crime lab after it was closed for improperly handling weapons evidence. After testing the first 2,000 kits, authorities identified 127 serial rapists and made 473 matches overall to known convicts or arrestees, or to unknown people whose genetic material was found at crime scenes."

    The real question is why does this backlog exist at all? Cities and states claim they don't have the money or other resources, but they sure do have plenty of time and money to arrest people for drugs.

    About 1.5 million Americans are arrested for drugs annually -- about 660,000 for nothing more than possessing marijuana for personal use. It takes up to three hours to process someone after an arrest. And since most arrests involve multiple officers in multiple police cars it's potentially dozens of lost police hours just to arrest one person for marijuana.

    It costs an estimated $10,000 to arrest, process, and convict someone for marijuana possession. Then there's the cost of keeping thousands of drug task forces operational, most of which do nothing but bust people for marijuana or other low-level drug offenses. New York City claims to not have enough money to test all its rape test kits but spends millions each year randomly searching young people of color for marijuana.

    Worse, police have a financial incentive to focus on drugs. Federal grant programs, such as the Edward J. Byrne Justice Assistance Grant (JAG) program, reward local and state police for the number of people they arrest. Through asset forfeiture laws police agencies are allowed to keep money, cars, houses and other proceeds from the drug trade. Busting nonviolent drug offenders allows them to line their own agency's coffers. They don't get anything for arresting rapists or other violent criminals.

    When the Drug Policy Alliance did an asset forfeiture reform ballot measure in Utah that directed forfeiture proceeds to the state's general treasury instead of police budgets, police said that if the measure passed they would have no reason to go after drug offenders. The initiative passed and drug arrests and seizures decreased. Police eventually convinced the legislature to gut the initiative and let them return to profiting from drug cases.

    At least one national policymaker gets the connection between the war on drugs and the increasing backlog in rape kit testing: Rep. Steve Cohen (D-TN). He recently offered an amendment on the U.S. House floor shifting $5 million from the Drug Enforcement Administration (DEA) to a rape test kit testing program. It passed overwhelmingly.

    Polling shows that voters support legalizing or decriminalizing marijuana because they want to stop wasting police resources. They want police to focus on real crime, like rape, instead of ruining people's lives with an arrest record for marijuana possession. Unfortunately there are still politicians and police officers supporting the failed war on drugs. It's time we start calling them out.

    Every dollar and police hour spent on nonviolent drug offenders is money and time not spent on real crime.




    A piece in the Washington Post highlights the growing backlog of untested rape test kits that are sitting in police storage units while rapists run free and victims suffer. Missing from the story, however, is one of the biggest contributors to this backlog.

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    the backlog has been recognized a while now. although i do not think it is known that it is partly due to the drug testing as mentioned.

    i think i read the back log in houston is insane.

    arguably the worst crime to commit, and it takes a backseat to minor possession charges.

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    • #3
      Has anyone noticed that they never have enough money? It seems to be an ongoing theme! Yet they have half a million dollar "assault trucks" and shit like that.
      Originally posted by racrguy
      What's your beef with NPR, because their listeners are typically more informed than others?
      Originally posted by racrguy
      Voting is a constitutional right, overthrowing the government isn't.

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      • #4
        Originally posted by Broncojohnny View Post
        Has anyone noticed that they never have enough money? It seems to be an ongoing theme! Yet they have half a million dollar "assault trucks" and shit like that.
        They actually buy the MRAP's or other military "assault trucks" because they get them donated or buy them dirt cheap. Most police departments would rather have smaller more 'normal' assault vehicles but can't afford them so they end up with the military surplus. I know, it sounds crazy, but it is what it is. Here's an article about one town:

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        • #5
          They've got to feed the machine somehow.
          Originally posted by BradM
          But, just like condoms and women's rights, I don't believe in them.
          Originally posted by Leah
          In other news: Brent's meat melts in your mouth.

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          • #6
            Duh.

            I thought this was common knowledge. Police agencies claim they exist to maintain peace and protect citizens, but the reality is they are a for-profit business with elevated privileges against their customers.

            What is the first thought that crosses your mind when a cop pulls behind you?

            [ ] Thank you officer, I feel much safer knowing you're here!

            [ ] God bless this protector of my community!

            [x] Ah shit.
            When the government pays, the government controls.

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            • #7
              Can they process the rape kits if the victim refuses to press charges? I shouldn't matter but just a thought.

              The military vehicles are free. All that is needed is some paperwork and going to get them.
              "It's another burrito, it's a cold Lone Star in my hand!"

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              • #8
                Originally posted by dee View Post
                Can they process the rape kits if the victim refuses to press charges? I shouldn't matter but just a thought.
                Yes, they can process them to see if the DNA matches any other crimes.
                Originally posted by dee
                The military vehicles are free. All that is needed is some paperwork and going to get them.
                Originally posted by phaux View Post
                They actually buy the MRAP's or other military "assault trucks" because they get them donated or buy them dirt cheap. Most police departments would rather have smaller more 'normal' assault vehicles but can't afford them so they end up with the military surplus. I know, it sounds crazy, but it is what it is. Here's an article about one town:

                http://www.indystar.com/story/news/2...icle/10170225/
                Just because they get the vehicles free doesn't mean the maintenance is free, and if you think parts for those things is cheap, you're beyond crazy. Just imagine the mileage those big heavy slow things gets. Mid single digits would be my guess.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by dee View Post
                  Can they process the rape kits if the victim refuses to press charges? I shouldn't matter but just a thought.

                  The military vehicles are free. All that is needed is some paperwork and going to get them.
                  It's awesome that MRAPs cost nothing to maintain or keep in service. That was an ingenious design!

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by racrguy View Post
                    Just because they get the vehicles free doesn't mean the maintenance is free, and if you think parts for those things is cheap, you're beyond crazy.
                    Wha-What?? You mean there is a cost associated with ridiculously over-built (for the police application I mean) military vehicles being "given" to these agencies?

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by dee View Post
                      Can they process the rape kits if the victim refuses to press charges? I shouldn't matter but just a thought.
                      I don't think the victim has much of a choice in case of rape, do they?
                      Originally posted by BradM
                      But, just like condoms and women's rights, I don't believe in them.
                      Originally posted by Leah
                      In other news: Brent's meat melts in your mouth.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by racrguy View Post
                        Yes, they can process them to see if the DNA matches any other crimes.




                        Just because they get the vehicles free doesn't mean the maintenance is free, and if you think parts for those things is cheap, you're beyond crazy. Just imagine the mileage those big heavy slow things gets. Mid single digits would be my guess.
                        Drive train is simple a cat motor with Allison trans. If they are like the two I've been around they were brand new besides besides the cab. Maintenance will be no more than any of the other city vehicles for several years.
                        Originally posted by bcoop View Post
                        I don't think the victim has much of a choice in case of rape, do they?
                        I don't know that's why I asked. That would make the collected data a bit skewed but that is typical for the media.
                        "It's another burrito, it's a cold Lone Star in my hand!"

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by dee View Post
                          Drive train is simple a cat motor with Allison trans. If they are like the two I've been around they were brand new besides besides the cab. Maintenance will be no more than any of the other city vehicles for several years.
                          What about all of the specialized chassis parts? Also, working with on-road heavy duty trucks I can tell you firsthand that Cat engines are some of the most expensive to get parts for out of all of the makes of engines.

                          I don't know that's why I asked. That would make the collected data a bit skewed but that is typical for the media.
                          How would it skew the data? Maybe I'm just not understanding which point of data you're referring to.

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                          • #14
                            First off, it's disgusting that evidence from rape cases sits for a week, let alone years.


                            Originally posted by dee View Post
                            Can they process the rape kits if the victim refuses to press charges? I shouldn't matter but just a thought.

                            The military vehicles are free. All that is needed is some paperwork and going to get them.
                            Originally posted by bcoop View Post
                            I don't think the victim has much of a choice in case of rape, do they?
                            Rape victims do have a choice. It's the victims of domestic violence that the state picks up the charges.


                            And if someone gives you a $50k vehicle, don't you think you could afford to maintain it. Realize these aren't on patrol, they have very limited yearly mileage.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by racrguy View Post
                              What about all of the specialized chassis parts? Also, working with on-road heavy duty trucks I can tell you firsthand that Cat engines are some of the most expensive to get parts for out of all of the makes of engines.



                              How would it skew the data? Maybe I'm just not understanding which point of data you're referring to.
                              The chassis will last several years before needing repair like most heavy trucks. Besides more paperwork gets you parts, manuals, tires and diagnostic tools/hardware. Nothing big is cheap by any means that's just part of the game with heavy equipment of any kind.

                              The data for unprocessed kits would be skewed if it includes kits that aren't being processed because of the victim not pressing charges. This is just a speculation depending on if the have the right to choose. Imo they shouldn't have that option if there is dna available.
                              "It's another burrito, it's a cold Lone Star in my hand!"

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