How many think that the troops are really fighting for our freedom?

[cyclonescott]

how can you say japan sanctions were wrong, but then want to take away germany's posion gas and have the US aid jews.

if your stance is US neutrality; if you are supplying one with the resources to make war then you can't take away the other or else the US wouldn't be neutral anymore.

Hitler rose to power partially because of sanctions on Germany from WW1 and the great depression. If there hadn’t been impossible sanctions imposed on Germany after the first WW chances are Hitler wouldn’t have come into power.
I don’t think that Japan would have gone to war with the US or Britain If it’s resources hadn’t been cut off.
You may not think sanctions are so peaceful if China ever imposes them on the US.

[Pokulski-Blatz]

This board went full retard.

[chronical]

What some need is patriotism. Hind sight is always 20/20. I'm American and that's that. It's people that sometimes suck. We live and we die and during that time, you will always have some asshole over reaching his power, or slaughtering their people, or looking for a way to make a buck at another's expense. But what ever the conflict is, I'll tell you what country's side I am on. I like to believe, our nation does what's best for our nation. And if that particular asshole ever happens to be from our side, then I'll continue to lace up my boots each morning for work until I can vote some other guy into office.

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This board went full retard.

You didn't know? The holocaust is America's fault.

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You didn't know? The holocaust is America's fault.

IBM sold them the computers they used to process and centralize records, and Prescott Bush financed the fuel purchases they used to invade Poland, so we're not entirely blameless. At least we got the final solution to thirst out of the deal.

[Sean88gt]

IBM sold them the computers they used to process and centralize records, and Prescott Bush financed the fuel purchases they used to invade Poland, so we're not entirely blameless. At least we got the final solution to thirst out of the deal.

The next thing you're going to tell me is that Henry Ford supported Hitler...

[8mpg]

interesting thread.... took a different tone than I would have expected.

I love my country and my freedoms here. I have traveled to a few other parts of the world to realize we have it pretty good here. Are we fighting for our freedom? No way. I agree that we are a part of a capitalistic society and that there are the elite in which they rule the world. Political power appears to be purchased here in America rather than what is best for the people. Our troops fight endless wars and sacrifice their lives in my opinion pointless wars.

Im not sure whether isolationism is a great idea though Im sick of America playing world police. Our society continues to evolve and moral standards change. Other societies throughout the world have other opinions in which the general American consensus states that they are wrong. We all know that leaving people alone will never happen and we all have motives. Just like religion, politics leads us to wars. Trying to expand views just causes more trouble.

I believe with the true corruption of our political system and the intrinsic greed in some of the capitalistic society, we fight for ideals of freedom but not for freedom. We fight for an instinctual greed.

[kingjason]

interesting thread.... took a different tone than I would have expected.

I love my country and my freedoms here. I have traveled to a few other parts of the world to realize we have it pretty good here. Are we fighting for our freedom? No way. I agree that we are a part of a capitalistic society and that there are the elite in which they rule the world. Political power appears to be purchased here in America rather than what is best for the people. Our troops fight endless wars and sacrifice their lives in my opinion pointless wars.

Im not sure whether isolationism is a great idea though Im sick of America playing world police. Our society continues to evolve and moral standards change. Other societies throughout the world have other opinions in which the general American consensus states that they are wrong. We all know that leaving people alone will never happen and we all have motives. Just like religion, politics leads us to wars. Trying to expand views just causes more trouble.

I believe with the true corruption of our political system and the intrinsic greed in some of the capitalistic society, we fight for ideals of freedom but not for freedom. We fight for an instinctual greed.

Spot on!

[Forever_frost]

Secure the southern border, park our navy off the east and west coasts and who in their right mind would even try and attack? It would be a suicide mission that would have no chance of getting through. You wouldn’t have Russian bombers flying 50 miles off our borders either.

So, you're ignoring the cost of that, submarines coming in, weapons in shipping containers shipped by legal ships, aircraft and so forth. Are you going to enlist to do this?

[cyclonescott]

So, you're ignoring the cost of that, submarines coming in, weapons in shipping containers shipped by legal ships, aircraft and so forth. Are you going to enlist to do this?

The dollar cost of doing that would be far less than operating 900 bases around the world and putting troop on the ground in endless wars.
I think we may have a sub or 2 of our own somewhere and I have worked on the ports so I am aware of the potential for importing weapons. That potential would go way down once the US stopped dictating what other sovereign could and can’t do.
I would defend this soil and my family to my last breath from a foreign invader, even one standing in the road with a shovel in his hands.

[Ruffdaddy]

So, you're ignoring the cost of that, submarines coming in, weapons in shipping containers shipped by legal ships, aircraft and so forth. Are you going to enlist to do this?

What does enlisting fix now? You're immediately brainwashed out of making your own decision and into making decisions that suit the interests of politicians when you enlist...

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What does enlisting fix now? You're immediately brainwashed out of making your own decision and into making decisions that suit the interests of politicians when you enlist...

Lol, I love this slight.

[Ruffdaddy]

Lol, I love this slight.

State yer business!

I have no clue what you're trying to say...

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State yer business!

I have no clue what you're trying to say...

You say that those who enlist are brainwashed out of making their own decisions, it's a common slight used against service members but simply isn't true.

[Forever_frost]

Yep, we are trained to make quick decisions and to weigh them against the constitution and the law.