How many think that the troops are really fighting for our freedom?

[cyclonescott]

Secure the southern border, park our navy off the east and west coasts and who in their right mind would even try and attack? It would be a suicide mission that would have no chance of getting through. You wouldn’t have Russian bombers flying 50 miles off our borders either.

[Trip McNeely]

Secure the southern border, park our navy off the east and west coasts and who in their right mind would even try and attack? It would be a suicide mission that would have no chance of getting through. You wouldn’t have Russian bombers flying 50 miles off our borders either.

Do you actually believe warfare is that black and white/conventional these days? Give me a fucking break. It isn't that cut and dry.

[jnobles06]

the fight is for the capitalist agenda under the guise of freedom, so big business can continue to exploit cheap resources of other countries, then turn around mark them up, and sell them to us for max profit. they just employ demagoguery through use words like "freedom" and "terrorism," to get the public to support their efforts.

the irony is that a lot of the campaign financiers are incorporated off shore and pay hardly any taxes, but some how have millions of dollars to invest in the presidential election. a majority of the time the candidate with the largest budget or contributions wins the election, hence the election is bought. same thing with congressional elections, and guess who actually votes for the president; congress. Al Gore won the popular vote against Bush, but Bush took office. You see, even if the people vote one way congress can still say no. its just an illusion of choice and freedom, and is that way by design which are the laws that congress vote on that govern such things.

[Trip McNeely]

the fight is for the capitalist agenda under the guise of freedom, so big business can continue to exploit cheap resources of other countries, then turn around mark them up, and sell them to us for max profit. they just employ demagoguery through use words like "freedom" and "terrorism," to get the public to support their efforts.

the irony is that a lot of the campaign financiers are incorporated off shore and pay hardly any taxes, but some how have millions of dollars to invest in the presidential election. a majority of the time the candidate with the largest budget or contributions wins the election, hence the election is bought. same thing with congressional elections, and guess who actually votes for the president; congress. Al Gore won the popular vote against Bush, but Bush took office. You see, even if the people vote one way congress can still say no. its just an illusion of choice and freedom, and is that way by design which are the laws that congress vote on that govern such things.

I love hearing the dipshit opponents of Capitalism. Usually the biggest consumers of Capitalism. Shut the fuck up.

[F8LSVT]

but none of that has anything to do with you saying soldiers haven't fought for our freedom since the 1800s. That is bullshit and you need to get your head out of your ass.

qft.

[jnobles06]

I love hearing the dipshit opponents of Capitalism. Usually the biggest consumers of Capitalism. Shut the fuck up.

did i say i didn't like capitalism? i just pointed out how it functions.

great retort btw. shows your intelligence.

[Trip McNeely]

did i say i didn't like capitalism? i just pointed out how it functions.

great retort btw. shows your intelligence.

Well if you argued for it, you must believe it right? Unless you just Google pasted some bullshit.

[jnobles06]

Well if you argued for it, you must believe it right? Unless you just Google pasted some bullshit.

i didn't argue for it or against it. i just accept the fucked up way it works and live with it because i do like the luxuries it affords.

[jnobles06]

i just don't pretend its about freedom, to make myself feel all warm and fuzzy, when i know its not. if it was, i'd be able to drive with out a seat belt without getting harassed, smoke all the dope i want without getting arrested, and the popular vote would be the only vote.

[turboford]

I think we'd be hurting if we were ever invaded on the southern shores.

[mstng86]

I don't mind the idea that the troops are fighting to keep our freedom.

What bugs me is us taking over a county under the guise of freeing the people in that country. Its a load of shit. What gives us the right to say we are freeing any people unless they are actually slaves to a person? We are too full of ourselves and need to realize we need to protect our own above all and help out sparingly and in times of great need. Not when we are trying to make a idealogical move.

Almost everything we have done after world war II has been overreaching IMO. We did need to fight the russians every step of the way. And we do have to watch them, as well as China right now. But we have no right to say who is the correct leader for a country. I get the reasoning behind why we want people in power, but it really isn't our business in the end.

[cyclonescott]

All that the fighting in the Middle East has done is brought about laws that have taken away my freedoms. The passage of these laws has brought about the militarization of the domestic police forces. The expense of these wars has contributed to the loss of my tax dollars which takes away my freedom of choice.
There isn’t a country in the Middle East that can even come close to our military; too think that one of them would invade us is just asinine.
The biggest threat to our freedom is the runaway government spending. If they continue until a financial collapse then I would be afraid of an invasion from Russia and China. If that happens we become the insurgents.

[Broncojohnny]

Sorry, but imperialism and intervention has been the major cause of conflict throughout the world. It is the major cause of problems in the Middle East now. We wouldn’t have the problems that we do now with Iraq if we hadn’t backed Saddam. The same policies that sent Egypt and Libya into tail spins are what caused problems with Iran in the 50’s.

Again, what does that have to do with your statement? You seem be going off on this tinfoil rant about imperialism. I'm saying your original statement in this thread is pure shit and that WWII was a situation where this country (and by extension, our rights) was in imminent peril.

[cyclonescott]

Again, what does that have to do with your statement? You seem be going off on this tinfoil rant about imperialism. I'm saying your original statement in this thread is pure shit and that WWII was a situation where this country (and by extension, our rights) was in imminent peril.

We were too far away to be in any danger. The fact is the infighting between the countries over there would have depleted their resources before they could have ever developed the technology too be able to launch any kind of strike. If anything, American intervention only prolonged the war and made the arms race after the war escalate.

[mstng86]

We were too far away to be in any danger. The fact is the infighting between the countries over there would have depleted their resources before they could have ever developed the technology too be able to launch any kind of strike. If anything, American intervention only prolonged the war and made the arms race after the war escalate.

So you think after hitler took all of Europe his next step wasn't going to be the US?


Can I have whatever this guy is drinking right now?