Two cops shot in Vegas

[lowthreeohz]

What's the back story?

Google Salinas California police shootings

[jewozzy]

Google Salinas California police shootings

The video from the rooftop played on the news is much better. And is easier to see why they shot.

[lowthreeohz]

Perhaps you as the law see something different, but that cop approached him, quickly, right before he popped those first 2 rounds off. Why did he rush the subject? I have heard that both offers had already deployed tazers, but haven't seen any proof yet.

I don't think his backdrop was good for a shot, especially given that the guy had shears and not a gun. I understand that your job entails split second decisions in life or death situations, but from those 2 videos feel like that officer made a poor decision

[jewozzy]

Perhaps you as the law see something different, but that cop approached him, quickly, right before he popped those first 2 rounds off. Why did he rush the subject? I have heard that both offers had already deployed tazers, but haven't seen any proof yet.

I don't think his backdrop was good for a shot, especially given that the guy had shears and not a gun. I understand that your job entails split second decisions in life or death situations, but from those 2 videos feel like that officer made a poor decision

Sounded like in the video you posted you can hear the pop from a taser. I felt watching it that they felt he would be a greater threat going to what looked like a busy street as opposed to the neighborhood he was walking in. Do you know what the original call was? I didn't see that on the news website.

[phaux]

http://www.cnn.com/2014/05/22/us/california-protest-police-shooting-hispanics/

(CNN) -- The central California city of Salinas is being rocked with unrest and violence after protesters accused police of racism and brutality in the fatal shootings of three Latino men since March, including one captured on grainy video this week.

Demonstrations peaked Wednesday night when a man was shot to death outside his home near an anti-police protest. The circumstances of that shooting, which did not involve police, are being investigated, police said.
When authorities responded to that homicide, demonstrators went to the scene and threw bricks, bottles, sticks and rocks at police and EMS personnel as they aided the shooting victim, police said. One bottle struck the head of an officer who was giving CPR to the victim, stopping him from giving aid, police said.

The shooting victim, Constantino Garcia, 23, who had just moved to Salinas with his wife and child, was pronounced dead at a hospital, police said. Detectives said about 100 people saw the homicide, but no witnesses are cooperating with police.

Salinas Police Chief Kelly McMillin holds the gardening shears used by a suspect who was shot by police on Tuesday.

Salinas Police Chief Kelly McMillin holds the gardening shears used by a suspect who was shot by police on Tuesday.

In Wednesday's protests, police arrested demonstrator Diego Garcia, 26, who was accused of taunting officers, antagonizing a police dog and urging the crowd to join him. He was arrested on accusations of inciting a riot, resisting arrest and probation violation, police said.

The rising tensions led Police Chief Kelly McMillin to hold a news conference Thursday afternoon in which he offered more details on one incident that has infuriated some and explained his department's approach to addressing it.
"They are frustrated, they are angry -- and legitimately," McMillin said. "I'm not going to tell anybody that you just don't understand what you see. They see it, they react to it, that could upset them."

The residents should be able to express their views, as should police, he added.

"We recognize that ... the anger of the community (is) coming out," said McMillin. "We're trying to explain ourselves as best we can and move on."

Most recent fatal shooting
The most recent officer-involved shooting happened Tuesday afternoon and ended in the death of a man who allegedly lunged at officers with gardening shears.

The man -- whom police identified Thursday as 44-year-old Carlos Mejia -- was accused of breaking into a woman's home and threatening her while armed with the shears, police said. The suspect also exposed himself to the woman and made sexually explicit statements, police said, adding that the man also tried to kill the woman's dog.

When police responded to a 911 call, the suspect was walking on Elkington Avenue and police noticed he had a large pair of gardening shears sticking out of his backpack, police said.

Rather than comply with officers, the man swung the gardening shears at the officers near him, according to police.

"It's a pretty common item, we see it all the time," McMillin said Thursday, holding up the shears. "...But the manner in which it was presented ... this clearly is a weapon and obviously a very dangerous one."
The officers "were dead set against allowing him to get into" a nearby bakery, fearful of the damage he could do there, according to the chief. One attempt to subdue him using a Taser ended in "a catastrophic failure," according to McMillin, and ultimately the officers fired on the suspect.
The man was pronounced dead on the scene.

From a distance, a witness took a videotape of the encounter between two police officers and the suspect, who walked away from police before being shot and killed. But the videotape wasn't clear on what had transpired between police and the man before the shooting. The video was posted on YouTube.

The police chief played that and other footage of the incident reporters, explaining that he did so to give the public a better sense of what happened. He said no final judgment has been made on whether the officers were "reasonable" in their use of deadly force.

"When people look at (this case), you don't (necessarily) get a lot of the details and you don't necessarily understand exactly what was happening," McMillin said. This new information was released "to make people understand why the officers did what they did, and just what the officers did."

March 20 shooting
The first officer-involved shooting occurred March 20, when police fatally shot a man with a gun under his sweatshirt in a restaurant parking lot, police said. Police had received a call about a suspicious person with a handgun.
"As the involved officers challenged the suspect, the suspect lifted his sweatshirt, brandishing a handgun at the officers. Fearing that the suspect was going to shoot, the involved officers shot the suspect, resulting in the suspect's death at the scene," police said. "Three Salinas police officers were involved in this incident and were not injured."
The fatally shot man was Angel Ruiz, who was armed with an Airsoft pellet gun, CNN affiliate KSBW reported.

May 9 shooting
On May 9, police received 911 calls about a man chasing people and waving a large knife, and after arriving on the scene, officers used a Taser on the suspect, Osman Hernandez, 26, who had no arrest history in Salinas, police said.

When they tried to put handcuffs on him, Hernandez "pulled up his shirt clearly exposing a large knife that was tucked into the area of his waistband," police said.

"Quickly, the suspect grabbed the knife and pulled it out towards the officers who were in close proximity to him while attempting to restrain him," police said.

Two officers shot Hernandez, who died at the scene, police said.
On Wednesday, Hernandez's family filed a claim against the city seeking $2 million in damages, KSBW reported, quoting the family's attorney.

"There is something seriously wrong. It's horrific. These men were shot down in cold blood," attorney Christopher Dolan told the station.

In the bold, this is the dumb ass kind of stuff that firefighters, cops, and ems have to deal with daily, absolutely absurd. I'm not saying the police in any of the situations were right or wrong, but none of the civilians want/are willing to do anything about the violence but be a bunch of idiots. They hold protests and complain when anything involving police goes wrong, but you don't hear about them protesting the gang violence and drugs on the street...

[lowthreeohz]

Sounded like in the video you posted you can hear the pop from a taser. I felt watching it that they felt he would be a greater threat going to what looked like a busy street as opposed to the neighborhood he was walking in. Do you know what the original call was? I didn't see that on the news website.

lol actually orig call was guy with his dick out banging on a woman's door and making comments about raping her, then tried to choke her dog before leaving.

[dcs13]

lol actually orig call was guy with his dick out banging on a woman's door and making comments about raping her, then tried to choke her dog before leaving.

Sounds like we're better off with the guy 6 feet under ? why is everyone upset?

[ftp]

Sounds like we're better off with the guy 6 feet under ? why is everyone upset?

People are just sick of the cops shoot first and say "you're scared for your life" bullshit that has become a common occurrence in the last few years.

In the case with the Mexican with the shears they could've easily shot em in the leg or deployed a dog on him. But that's too much to ask now a days for the cops to exert some effort, they'd rather just shoot you dead. So don't expect us to get all teary eyed when a cop gets popped, were taking the same attitude against ya'll that has been brought upon us, we don't care if you die.

Maybe when the days of officer friendly return attitudes towards cops will change. But If the cops continue to dress up in black outfits and shoot dogs and people when it's not justified there's always going to be a hatred for them.

[dcs13]

People are just sick of the cops shoot first and say "you're scared for your life" bullshit that has become a common occurrence in the last few years.

In the case with the Mexican with the shears they could've easily shot em in the leg or deployed a dog on him. But that's too much to ask now a days for the cops to exert some effort, they'd rather just shoot you dead. So don't expect us to get all teary eyed when a cop gets popped, were taking the same attitude against ya'll that has been brought upon us, we don't care if you die.

Maybe when the days of officer friendly return attitudes towards cops will change. But If the cops continue to dress up in black outfits and shoot dogs and people when it's not justified there's always going to be a hatred for them.

Sounds like they tased him with no response, and he was headed towards an area where other people were that could have been taken hostage...With the little knowledge I have from reading here, sounds like a good shoot.
And you say "ya'll " like i'm five -oh...? I'm a welder, just tired of shit bags that wanna be handled with kid gloves..Bring a knife to a gun fight, you're gonna lose...
Need some welding done, I'm your guy

[03trubluGT]

In the case with the Mexican with the shears they could've easily shot em in the leg or deployed a dog on him. But that's too much to ask now a days for the cops to exert some effort, they'd rather just shoot you dead. So don't expect us to get all teary eyed when a cop gets popped, were taking the same attitude against ya'll that has been brought upon us, we don't care if you die.

Stuff like this just kills me!

Sure, shooting someone in the leg stops them. It happens all the time in the movies. So what happens when the cop shoots someone in the leg, and they hit the femoral artery and bleed out in record time?

People aren't trained to hit extremities. It's center mass. They don't do it in CHL classes, they don't do it in the military, and they don't do it in LEO training.

Do you see clearly defined arms and legs on this target?

[ftp]

Stuff like this just kills me!

Sure, shooting someone in the leg stops them. It happens all the time in the movies. So what happens when the cop shoots someone in the leg, and they hit the femoral artery and bleed out in record time?

People aren't trained to hit extremities. It's center mass. They don't do it in CHL classes, they don't do it in the military, and they don't do it in LEO training.

Do you see clearly defined arms and legs on this target?

I don't give a shit how they train you lazy cocksuckers. I hope someone hits you in the center mass of your pea brain ginger fuck.

[Craizie]

I don't give a shit how they train you lazy cocksuckers. I hope someone hits you in the center mass of your pea brain ginger fuck.

Hopefully he's wearing body armor.

[phaux]

I don't give a shit how they train you lazy cocksuckers. I hope someone hits you in the center mass of your pea brain ginger fuck.

Jewmadbro?

[ftp]

Hopefully he's wearing body armor.

If it did ever happen hopefully the perp stands over gingertwat and says "its because your attitude"

[Forever_frost]

If it did ever happen hopefully the perp stands over gingertwat and says "its because your attitude"

And if I'm around, I'll put 2 in the head of the attacker, buy Ginger root there a donut while he digs the round out of his vest before I hand him the bill for my two rounds.